Yeah, no. They didn’t get hired by the airline that APA represents pilots for.

 

Are you saying that your trolling with made up statistics is substantive? Damn, your fantasy world keeps getting wilder.

 

If you have numbers to refute my general thrust then lay it out. Otherwise, you can hold hands with Sus and play make-believe grievance.

 

But good enough to fly your passengers no? You obviously have no clue what’s going on industry-wide and how that affects the legacies, but most acutely American Airlines.

Delta isn’t as reliant on its regional feed as both UAL and AAL are. UAL has a plan to reduce its regional footprint with mainline narrowbodies. AA is… Increasing its regional partners, bringing back 50 seat outdated CRJ200s that passengers loathe, and announcing to its pilots that it will be reevaluating its widebody international footprint.

Essentially doubling down on everything that YOU as an APA pilot should be worried about insourcing your own flying for. Doubling down on everything that you as an APA pilot should be interested in increasing the size of your labor union and gaining leverage for.

Your union leadership is a reflection of your pilot group. I honestly hope you don’t become ALPA. You’re a toxic pilot group with a toxic labor organization to represent you. Go on doing you and getting the same results. Contract after contract.

 

I still don’t understand what you’re trying to say? Please explain it like in easy terms. So simple that a guy who just left psa a few months ago could understand.

 

It’s not APA’s job to solve AAL’s problems for them. If AAL had brought any kind of proposal that was reflective of what you’re talking about, this might be a valid discussion. But it isn’t, so get hired normally and stop *****ing about “toxicity” that’s just reality.

 

I suggest you look at some inflation tables. Better yet, read the PHL domicile blast from last month.

As of last month, we need an immediate 17.7% raise to get back to where we were Jan 1 2019. Going forward these numbers get a lot bigger fast. August CPI just came out a few days ago and it's still at 8.3%

I've heard lots of intelligent people make arguments that the official CPI figures under represent the inflation problem, but you might be the first to try (poorly) to argue the opposite.

Also, stop adding in longevity and equipment raises to your "math". You get those wether we get a new contract or not.

 

Oh really? You’re somehow implying that Delta and United would be open to merging their regional feed into their own list (if they were wholly owned)? Unless it were a pure staple job, then I can guarantee you that they would absolute NOT agree to even entertain that idea.

This idea that somehow AA has pilots who as human beings are somehow DIFFERENT than the pilots at UA and DL is laughable and ridiculous.

Should we probably merge their operation into our own? Yes. Absolutely.

Anything beyond a pure staple and fences is a non starter, as it would be at UA and DL. To think otherwise is pure fantasy.

So with that said, how is our group more “toxic” than either of those two?

 

I am at a legacy. It isn’t American. But I spent the better part of a decade flying AA passengers and I have a more intimate knowledge of the situation than most.

The problem just happens to be AAL’s problem. But it could have been extremely beneficial and lucrative for APA to work towards solving. But hey, moot point. You don’t get it and nothing I say to the contrary is going to convince you. Enjoy the rest of your career.

 

A staple is what it would be. And of course fences would be a part of that conversation.

And it’s obvious what United is doing. They’re just shrinking their regionals and growing the mainline. Even their CEO has been very open about their plans. Delta has mostly already done that. I won’t speak to Delta’s discussion with Endeavor or DALPA because it’s not my place to.