This is embarrassing. File for mediation. Only took the railroads 6 months to work through mediation and apply strike pressure and we don’t affect supply chains nearly as much. 10/5/3 is a joke, but frankly so is APA’s offer.

While we’re on it, put an end to dividing the pilot group’s compensation based on where they came from. 401k from day one for all. Even the pilots that thinks screwing new hires applies more pressure for negotiations, dividing the pilot group does not.

 

WO Pilot’s had previously been locked on a pay scale that reflected earning LESS than most OTS (regional) hires (except perhaps Mesa) and relentlessly given the last crack of the flight file every month for years, (lost days at outstations, min days off/ low credit lines as compared to pretty much all other non-WO) while working as an AAG employee. Anyone that is feeling left out about not receiving 401k day one at AA, could have also chosen to have worked at a WO to take advantage of the 401k at day 1 of AA, perk. OTS have their own perks they’ve enjoyed, WO flows have theirs as well. I suggest not wasting energy on trying to “correct” this perceived inequity that was (almost) literally within everyone’s control when they chose their regional to work for. Life ain’t fair sometimes.


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Yet they were given a guaranteed flow to AA while many of their peers are stuck in the Regional world. Plus pilots at WOs were given insane bonuses that their Regional peers never saw. Let's not try painting a false narrative here that WO pilots somehow suffered more than their peers lol

 

Anyone who spent time on reserve at PSA def deserves at least a gift card to Panda Express and a complimentary roll of single ply TP from the crew room

 

It's done.

Very early on the "size of the pie" i.e. total value/cost was set.

It is now down to rearranging the pie slices to get 50% +1 vote to pass.

There is no additional money to be had, only shuffling money from one contract section to another until APA/AA thinks it will pass.

 

It’s not the zero sum game you’re painted it as. Management can open the purse strings for all its labor…no one is forcing anyone to take a sour deal. If it isn’t good, strike authorization votes are always an option.

 

I guarantee they are nowhere close to done inking a deal that will touch the ballpark of 50+1 passing. It's gonna be a hard no with that crap pay increase and lack of work rules. The old timers that retire in the next 3-5 years only make up about 35% of the list.

 

What really disappointed is that APA didn't even have the red/redder bs removal on the table. They never agreed to it, it was shoved into (insert your colorful imagination here) us, and yet APA seems quite content...

 

I thought TTOT was going away and they are working on TTS 2.0 parameters?

Isn’t red/redder just for TTOT which is going away?

I hope they get trip length parameters as well - to which the company hasn’t responded to their proposal.

 

Yes TTOT going away. Still no transparency on when you can drop.