Search

Notices

Negotiation Update

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-25-2022 | 08:59 AM
  #191  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Dec 2019
Posts: 2,251
Likes: 104
Default

If all WO become mainline I believe that will trigger a lot of other work groups’ scope clauses to lay claim to many out stations, not to mention FA’s, mechanics, etc. Unless, and I don’t think this exists anywhere, we have APA seniority pilots operating non-AA certificate aircraft.
Reply
Old 09-25-2022 | 09:29 AM
  #192  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Apr 2020
Posts: 250
Likes: 0
Default

The majority of pilots are so short sighted it’s sad. Pay rates can change with a flick of a switch, and management will have no problem doing that if they see a need for it. Just look back 5 years ago when AA unilaterally gave an 8% raise, no strings attached.

What Alaska did was focus on quality of life issues. Some are major, some minor which I think is the beauty of the agreement.

I hope it passes for the sole reason that it establishes a baseline industry wide that QOL issues are most important.
Reply
Old 09-25-2022 | 03:13 PM
  #193  
PRS Guitars's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 2,329
Likes: 4
From: A320 CA
Default

Originally Posted by ny797
The majority of pilots are so short sighted it’s sad. Pay rates can change with a flick of a switch, and management will have no problem doing that if they see a need for it. Just look back 5 years ago when AA unilaterally gave an 8% raise, no strings attached.

What Alaska did was focus on quality of life issues. Some are major, some minor which I think is the beauty of the agreement.

I hope it passes for the sole reason that it establishes a baseline industry wide that QOL issues are most important.
Well, they got a 15 to 22% raise depending on where they sit, so, pretty sure pay rates matter too. That’s more than double what we were offered.
Reply
Old 09-25-2022 | 03:39 PM
  #194  
Thread Starter
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 305
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
Well, they got a 15 to 22% raise depending on where they sit, so, pretty sure pay rates matter too. That’s more than double what we were offered.
Yes, but their pay was low to begin with.. with our current proposals (10/5/3) we would be on par with their pay scale. On a side note.. I don't agree with our proposed %.
Reply
Old 09-25-2022 | 04:57 PM
  #195  
PRS Guitars's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 2,329
Likes: 4
From: A320 CA
Default

Originally Posted by NotPhlying
Yes, but their pay was low to begin with.. with our current proposals (10/5/3) we would be on par with their pay scale. On a side note.. I don't agree with our proposed %.
that’s exactly my point…don’t look at their new rates but rather the %.
Reply
Old 09-26-2022 | 04:10 AM
  #196  
thrust's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,327
Likes: 76
Default

Originally Posted by NotPhlying
Yes, but their pay was low to begin with.. with our current proposals (10/5/3) we would be on par with their pay scale. On a side note.. I don't agree with our proposed %.
10/5/3 is AA’s garbage proposal, not APA’s..
Reply
Old 09-26-2022 | 09:55 AM
  #197  
Thread Starter
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 305
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by thrust
10/5/3 is AA’s garbage proposal, not APA’s..
Who said anything about APA?
Reply
Old 09-26-2022 | 11:12 AM
  #198  
Hueypilot's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,208
Likes: 2
From: B737
Default

Originally Posted by thrust
10/5/3 is AA’s garbage proposal, not APA’s..
APA’s 10/5/5 isn’t much better. At a *bare* minimum it should be 15/5/5, but more like 18/5/5 to retain the pay advantage AA enjoyed over AS.
Reply
Old 09-26-2022 | 01:05 PM
  #199  
thrust's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,327
Likes: 76
Default

Originally Posted by NotPhlying
Who said anything about APA?
You said “our current proposal”, did you not?

Do you work in management?
Reply
Old 09-26-2022 | 01:07 PM
  #200  
thrust's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,327
Likes: 76
Default

Originally Posted by Hueypilot
APA’s 10/5/5 isn’t much better. At a *bare* minimum it should be 15/5/5, but more like 18/5/5 to retain the pay advantage AA enjoyed over AS.
Agreed. Just pointing out that AA management’s offer of 10/5/3 is even more laughable than APA’s weak proposal.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Boeing Aviator
=> United Contract 2022
5
07-22-2022 11:19 PM
Paid2flyfast
Career Questions
0
02-13-2022 07:33 PM
Scoop
Delta
17
01-31-2020 07:21 AM
chrtrplt
Cargo
16
09-24-2006 12:17 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices