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09-16-2022 | 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake1234

Ahhh, the inflation argument. Ok, let’s dig in. With the current movement, you can hold NB CA in under three years. So let’s focus there as the incentives in place push the pilot group that direction. In a 10/5/3 scenario, a NB CA at 7 years (3 year upgrade, roughly 3 year raise period) would make roughly 354K at 80 hours/mo. Inflation only affects your cost bucket. Housing, transportation, groceries. What is that cost bucket compared to your salary? Housing for the vast part of a pilot group is stable, the other costs went up. However, your salary going up from 275K to 354K eclipses your costs by thousands of dollars. Let’s debate with facts, the argument that it doesn’t keep up with inflation is dumb and mathematically illiterate.

Say what??? Current 7 year pay is $268. Under the new CBA at 80 hours pay will end up being...

Year 7 $294 per hour ($282K)
Year 8 $312 per hour ($300K)
Year 9 $323 per hour ($310K)

401k will increase the salaries by $45K, $48K, $50K.
Problem is we haven't had a raise in 3 years.

09-16-2022 | 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RadialRover

Except it doesn’t, and without any meaningful QoL improvements. Current update from NC is a total loser.

Are you surprised? Some of them are busy picking up premium trips.

09-16-2022 | 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NotPhlying

I would also like to see continues pay increase of min 3% annually after CBA expires... indefinite!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. THIS. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I’ll take 10 + 5 + 5,……. +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3, +3,……. Well, you get the point.

09-16-2022 | 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RadialRover

Except it doesn’t, and without any meaningful QoL improvements. Current update from NC is a total loser.

Spell it out. Don’t just *****. What is not meaningful about the proposed AIP QOL improvements? You want mo money? Ok. How much?

09-16-2022 | 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by NotPhlying

Yes, I included the 401K into the total amount, because that is what will happen.

09-16-2022 | 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake1234

Spell it out. Don’t just *****. What is not meaningful about the proposed AIP QOL improvements? You want mo money? Ok. How much?

Yawn. This forum is for generalizations. Union reps are *allegedly* for spelling out specific desires in the hopes the union goes that direction. Go back to your management overlords, shill.

09-16-2022 | 11:47 AM

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Yes, I included the 401K into the total amount, because that is what will happen.

If you've been at the top of the NB scale since 2019 you didn't get a raise for 3 years. NW 12 year CA should be making $309 per hours (3/3/3) as of today... that's $5 less then what the top NB will be making in 3 years under the current proposal (10/5/3). We need to bring the rates up to what they should have been then consider pay increase.