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Originally Posted by Scar09
I would stay at AA, based on your time here that means you have napkin math of 2100-2500 people below you. With AA planning on hiring 2000 more next year. That’s 4100-4500. Say you go to UA in Jan and they hire 2000-2500 next year, you are in the same spot as now just with a lot more younger folks than you that are flying the widebodies there that will always have the seniority over you.
like others said go all in at UPS if that’s your goal. If you are just wanting to fly WB then you will get it within a year here at AA, maybe sooner with the new vacancy since we all know those numbers they don’t mean a lot. But also, drop long mil orders for a year or 2 if you can take a 2 year agr gig flying the c-17 and come back with great seniority.
Remember most junior guy gets furloughed (which you know this), I would rather have a bigger pad on that and right now you are building a nice one.
also, at some point UA has to retire those old 75/76’s so how much of that new WB order is replacement vs growth? They are def figuring it out on using their 75’s to look at new markets before putting a 78 on it something we can’t do right now.
lastly airlines ebb and flows, who’s number one today isn’t necessarily going to be number one tomorrow. But your seniority sure matters.
best of luck! Make the right choice for you and your family try to keep emotions out of it.
It's funny how much people complain about AA debt when UA and DL need to refleet. Sounds like I'm just gonna have to bite the bullet and move.
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Originally Posted by thrust
Sounds like you’ve made up your mind already.
If you read these forums or talked to Continental/United pilots in the 2009-2013 time frame, a lot of the same concerns re: AA were present at UAL. Terrible management being at the center of all the issues. UAL’s stakeholders made the right decision to fire the moron Smisek, a new management team came in and turned things around drastically (and like Delta, hired an excellent PR team to convince you and remind you of their awesomeness).
The industry is cyclical. Isom et al can’t be in power forever. Hopefully.
This is a great reflection and one which was implored on me by a 20 year UAL check airman
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
Lol, Doug Parker entered the chat lol. If AA BOD we’re ok with Doug Park for so long, as long as Isom meets the BOD wants and needs. No changes will occur…
Exactly this, I worked at an AA regional before this and the acceptable level of mediocrity has gone on for much longer than a cycle.
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Originally Posted by Pilot4000
The UA CLE base is not going to grow past having 737's, so if you have a desire to fly widebody's you'll be commuting again, and the 737 at UA does plenty of regional type flying. If you can hold a line on a 777 at AA with two years on property, that is pretty darn good. It takes way longer than that at UA. Reserve at UA is not a lot of fun for a commuter. I think you're in a decent spot for when the music stops.
Good luck with your decision.
Thanks ultimately leaving AA just lets me drive 15 mins to the CLE employee lot and and nothing else would change. The appeal of driving to work is so strong, but maybe it's not worth it for the seniority hit and I'll just look at moving.
Thank you all.
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