Leave AA for United
11-24-2022, 09:43 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by El Peso
Right. I’m going off of pretty old info. They planned on some of the incoming 787-9s as replacements for some 777-2s. That’s pre pandemic plans. So lots has changed and these days managements only complains about a shortage of wide bodies. The oldest 200 was delivered in 1999 so they could easily get another decade out of them if they maintain them right.
That said, I’ll believe all the aforementioned when I see it from this incompetent mgmt regime.
11-24-2022, 10:09 AM
#42
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Posts: 511
Originally Posted by thayer7th
I can't believe I'm making one of these threads.
34 years old. 13 months at AA, live in NE Ohio, fly the C-17 close by, have 8 years left to 20 for the military retirement.
Bidding 20% NYC FO on narrow body, very easy commute, but still a commute, decent schedule for a year on property, could be a line holding 777 FO in another year in NYC, have thought about bidding 737 captain when I wouldn't be the very bottom. We all know AA's pros and shortcomings so I'll save the typing. Was planning on moving to a senior AA base and commuting the military gig eventually.
Have the opportunity to jump to United where I can drive to work at CLE or commute to ORD for a better run airline with more wide bodies and a desire to not be the worlds largest regional.
Obviously contract 2023 is the big unknown for both places. Frankly I am keeping my FedEx app updated, but that's a pipe dream at best.
Thoughts?
Thanks in advance.
34 years old. 13 months at AA, live in NE Ohio, fly the C-17 close by, have 8 years left to 20 for the military retirement.
Bidding 20% NYC FO on narrow body, very easy commute, but still a commute, decent schedule for a year on property, could be a line holding 777 FO in another year in NYC, have thought about bidding 737 captain when I wouldn't be the very bottom. We all know AA's pros and shortcomings so I'll save the typing. Was planning on moving to a senior AA base and commuting the military gig eventually.
Have the opportunity to jump to United where I can drive to work at CLE or commute to ORD for a better run airline with more wide bodies and a desire to not be the worlds largest regional.
Obviously contract 2023 is the big unknown for both places. Frankly I am keeping my FedEx app updated, but that's a pipe dream at best.
Thoughts?
Thanks in advance.
11-24-2022, 10:21 AM
#43
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Posts: 2,352
Can’t comment on the lifestyle at AA, but I retired 5 years ago off the C-17 and UAL has been the easiest job I could ever imagine. I commute and work as little as possible. Our reserve rules suck, but if you are local, they really don’t matter. New hires have been getting CLE recently, so while there’s no guarantee that they will in the future, it’s not the seniority fortress it once was.
11-25-2022, 02:56 PM
#44
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Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 53
Originally Posted by Dunkin
If you’ve only been here 13 months I don’t think you will be holding a line on LGA/777 in a year, most jr lineholder now is 103XX. Maybe a lineholder in 3 years. WB goes so senior here at AA bc we don’t have anymore G3 aircraft.
11-25-2022, 05:16 PM
#45
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Posts: 241
Originally Posted by thayer7th
I can't believe I'm making one of these threads.
34 years old. 13 months at AA, live in NE Ohio, fly the C-17 close by, have 8 years left to 20 for the military retirement.
Bidding 20% NYC FO on narrow body, very easy commute, but still a commute, decent schedule for a year on property, could be a line holding 777 FO in another year in NYC, have thought about bidding 737 captain when I wouldn't be the very bottom. We all know AA's pros and shortcomings so I'll save the typing. Was planning on moving to a senior AA base and commuting the military gig eventually.
Have the opportunity to jump to United where I can drive to work at CLE or commute to ORD for a better run airline with more wide bodies and a desire to not be the worlds largest regional.
Obviously contract 2023 is the big unknown for both places. Frankly I am keeping my FedEx app updated, but that's a pipe dream at best.
Thoughts?
Thanks in advance.
34 years old. 13 months at AA, live in NE Ohio, fly the C-17 close by, have 8 years left to 20 for the military retirement.
Bidding 20% NYC FO on narrow body, very easy commute, but still a commute, decent schedule for a year on property, could be a line holding 777 FO in another year in NYC, have thought about bidding 737 captain when I wouldn't be the very bottom. We all know AA's pros and shortcomings so I'll save the typing. Was planning on moving to a senior AA base and commuting the military gig eventually.
Have the opportunity to jump to United where I can drive to work at CLE or commute to ORD for a better run airline with more wide bodies and a desire to not be the worlds largest regional.
Obviously contract 2023 is the big unknown for both places. Frankly I am keeping my FedEx app updated, but that's a pipe dream at best.
Thoughts?
Thanks in advance.
11-25-2022, 05:27 PM
#46
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Joined APC: Mar 2022
Posts: 241
Originally Posted by thayer7th
It's not even about how I feel, I'm just being objective when looking at our route network, half the widebodies and not really a significant west coast presence. That and the last proposed TA essentially added airport standby.
I'm not trying to offend anyone, I'm trying to make a decision.
Thank you all.
I'm not trying to offend anyone, I'm trying to make a decision.
Thank you all.
11-26-2022, 01:58 PM
#48
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Posts: 1,745
Originally Posted by J3nkums
Everything that you claim about AA that sucks or needs to be improved on are valid to a point but you're looking at a snapshot in time. AA management will change. Culture will change will a new generation of pilots. No one as a clue what AAs fleet will look like in 20 years in regards to WBs, etc. If want to go to UAL because it's the current hotness then go for it... but the grass isn't always greener.
AA has come ALONG way, but they used to charge their own pilots for non-rev until a certain point and would even charge their own pilots to use the Jumpseat if a seat in back was open.
I knew a pilot that when hired by Eagle and based in SJU, cost HIM money to go sit reserve cause AA charged him for the non-rev to/from work and international taxes plus crash pad, etc. Net result was negative income flow.
During the furloughs of 2001, they used to do "no notice" furloughs where CPO met the plane at the gate and collected the unsuspecting FO's ID, a friend of mine had to use a buddy pass to get home. I think this was in an attempt to avoid too many just using sick time before furlough (if they announced it earlier).
After furlough, AA cut off all travel benefits, so if you were a drilling reservists that had moved to your AA domicile, too bad, so sad. They stood out in their harshness almost like they never expected or wanted their furloughed pilots to return.
11-26-2022, 02:42 PM
#49
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Posts: 138
Originally Posted by nene
No dog in this fight, pilots have to make decisions for themselves and their situation, but I would say over the last 30yrs I've been around this business, AA's mgmt has consistently been the most harshest on it's pilots.
AA has come ALONG way, but they used to charge their own pilots for non-rev until a certain point and would even charge their own pilots to use the Jumpseat if a seat in back was open.
I knew a pilot that when hired by Eagle and based in SJU, cost HIM money to go sit reserve cause AA charged him for the non-rev to/from work and international taxes plus crash pad, etc. Net result was negative income flow.
During the furloughs of 2001, they used to do "no notice" furloughs where CPO met the plane at the gate and collected the unsuspecting FO's ID, a friend of mine had to use a buddy pass to get home. I think this was in an attempt to avoid too many just using sick time before furlough (if they announced it earlier).
After furlough, AA cut off all travel benefits, so if you were a drilling reservists that had moved to your AA domicile, too bad, so sad. They stood out in their harshness almost like they never expected or wanted their furloughed pilots to return.
AA has come ALONG way, but they used to charge their own pilots for non-rev until a certain point and would even charge their own pilots to use the Jumpseat if a seat in back was open.
I knew a pilot that when hired by Eagle and based in SJU, cost HIM money to go sit reserve cause AA charged him for the non-rev to/from work and international taxes plus crash pad, etc. Net result was negative income flow.
During the furloughs of 2001, they used to do "no notice" furloughs where CPO met the plane at the gate and collected the unsuspecting FO's ID, a friend of mine had to use a buddy pass to get home. I think this was in an attempt to avoid too many just using sick time before furlough (if they announced it earlier).
After furlough, AA cut off all travel benefits, so if you were a drilling reservists that had moved to your AA domicile, too bad, so sad. They stood out in their harshness almost like they never expected or wanted their furloughed pilots to return.
Unless of course they were immediately furloughed and then given 60 days of time off with pay.
11-26-2022, 03:49 PM
#50
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The WARN Act is not activated when a covered employer:
If a plant closing or a mass layoff results in fewer than 50 workers losing their jobs at a single employment site;
It 50 to 499 workers lose their jobs and that number is less than 33% of the employer's total, active workforce at a single employment site;
That shouldnt be hard to work around
If a plant closing or a mass layoff results in fewer than 50 workers losing their jobs at a single employment site;
It 50 to 499 workers lose their jobs and that number is less than 33% of the employer's total, active workforce at a single employment site;
That shouldnt be hard to work around
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