Skywest tries to buy Expressjet....Rejected - Page 6

#51

rickair7777 , 04-25-2008 05:14 PM

Prime Minister/Moderator

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Originally Posted by KiloAlpha

Do you think CAL will try to leverage scope relaxation negations with the treat of a merger?

E.G. "We need larger RJ's or we'll be forced to merge."

Maybe, but CAL cannot possibly guarantee it's pilots that there will not be a merger if they allow larger RJ's...those two issues are in different leagues. Neither can CAL promise that their pilots groups will get preferential consideration at integration time...the OTHER company amd pilot group, and that new federal law would take issue with that.

Besides, mergers do not have to be mutually agreed upon...ie hostile takeover.

#52

Nevets , 04-28-2008 12:32 AM

Banned

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Originally Posted by Slaphappy

I don't know about that, you can expect branded to be dumped asap followed by the delta pro-rate with jets deal, as both are the reason xjt is bleeding so much cash. They would probably get rid of about 40 airplanes when all is said and done and you know what that means.

XJT operates 31 aircraft in Branded, 14 in the DAL pro-rate, and 10 aircraft in the DAL CPA.

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Originally Posted by Slaphappy

Who says xjt would be operating those flights?

The XJT's scope clause.

#53

blastoff , 04-28-2008 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KiloAlpha

Not likely unless you are talking about 190s, what airline wants more 50 seaters?

Embraer has already told XJT that they would prefer not re-starting the 145, and would rather XJT convert those options to the E-Jet line.

#54

johnso29 , 04-28-2008 06:10 AM

Moderator

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Originally Posted by blastoff

Embraer has already told XJT that they would prefer not re-starting the 145, and would rather XJT convert those options to the E-Jet line.

However, they're still obligated to whether they like it or not.

But that's what I heard when I was still around as well.

#55

Slaphappy , 04-28-2008 06:52 AM

Banned

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevets

The XJT's scope clause.

JA has said the deal WILL NOT happen while that clause is in place.

#56

dba74 , 04-28-2008 06:55 AM

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do you have a source?

#57

Slaphappy , 04-28-2008 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dba74

do you have a source?

From the letter he said this

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This proposal is also conditioned upon ExpressJet obtaining a clarification and/or amendment, satisfactory to us, to the collective bargaining agreement (the “CBA”) between ExpressJet Airlines, Inc. and the pilots in the service of ExpressJet Airlines, as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (“ALPA”), dated December 1, 2004. First, we need clarification that nothing in the CBA (including, but not limited to, Section 1.D.3) would obligate us to merge the operations of ExpressJet Airlines with those of any or all of our currently-owned airline subsidiaries, or any airline subsidiaries we may acquire in the future, or otherwise apply to us or any of our subsidiaries or affiliates (other than ExpressJet and its subsidiaries). Secondly, we need the agreement of ALPA that the certain undated letter among ExpressJet, XJT Holdings, Inc., ALPA and the ExpressJet MEC, appended as pages 223 through 226 of the CBA, shall be revoked and deemed null and void, prior to the conclusion of the acquisition.

#58

Roper92 , 04-28-2008 07:27 AM

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That is what XJT is worried about. We don't want Skywest to use OUR XR options that are convertible to E-Jets and purchase them for the Skywest pilot to fly. I'm not worried about our pay and work rules being tampered with. I'm worried that any and all new flying will always go to the Skywest certificate. Any ASA guys want to chime in? How did it work you ya'll were bought?

#59

Slaphappy , 04-28-2008 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Roper92

They won't be your XR orders once you are owned by Skywest, this was the same case with ASA.

That is correct, its been the case that skywest airlines is the only one that is positioned for growth due to our competative costs. I am also sure it will be the case for all future flying. However asa has grown by at least 10 airlplanes in the past 3 years.

But at this point xjt pilots should just be more worried about keeping their jobs and not wanting to grow their airline.

#60

JoeyMeatballs , 04-28-2008 07:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roper92

this is what would happen.........if anyone would get new flying, it would be the non-union Skywest guys. Think about if we at XJT bought someone and their was new flying to be had, you can bet we would want the new flying, not the people we bought