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Quote: Disagree all you want but realize you are in the, extremely small, minority with misguided rationale. You are simply flat out wrong that a college grad in an aviation curriculum would not be more knowledgeable about the advanced technical subjects.
I went to a highly respectable private university where I majored in Aviation Sciences. Hindsight being 20/20 I'd never advise anyone to go to a school and major in aviation because there is no benefit. Spooled hit the nail on the head. There's nothing to learn at a high dollar flight school you can't learn at an FBO with a good instructor. After that it's all about flight experience. Note I didn't say flight time.

Going to a University for a degree in Aviation was the worst decision I could have made. So far things have turned out well for me but I do realize I've limited my fallback positions.
3:1 what.....off raw...what...I'm confused......Guess I'll stick to the flying and lay off the trivia!! There are a lot of things that different people are better at than others. When fly in poor conditions I would rather have a freight dog with me, when in a shotty aircraft I would rather have an A&P with me. When looking for some useless banter I would rather fly with a guy who spend 2000 hours pounding around the patch in a crappy 172 building experience telling me how much better a pilot he is than the other guys because he didn't waste time and energy learning all that fancy aircraft wizardry he was out getting real world experience. I can tell a college grad from a mom and pop shop clown by spending a few days on a trip with him. Not only do they lack in aircraft system understanding but a great many of them lack interpersonal skills, a crutial part of CRM!!
However....I am not saying that you have to have majored in aviation!!! I am saying that you need some higher education......I may have missed the point of the argument...sorry
Quote: I went to a highly respectable private university where I majored in Aviation Sciences. Hindsight being 20/20 I'd never advise anyone to go to a school and major in aviation because there is no benefit. .
With all due respect, those two sentences don't add up. You CAN'T go to a highly respectable private university for AS and tell someone it was a bad investment. No education is a bad investment. Maybe it's more that you feel as though your investment wasn't your best choice with all that you know now.

Under no circumstance can you EVER say, with merrit, that someone trained at an FBO is at the same educational level as someone that spent 4 years in an aviation based curriculum.
Quote: With all due respect, those two sentences don't add up. You CAN'T go to a highly respectable private university for AS and tell someone it was a bad investment. No education is a bad investment. Maybe it's more that you feel as though your investment wasn't your best choice with all that you know now.

Under no circumstance can you EVER say, with merrit, that someone trained at an FBO is at the same educational level as someone that spent 4 years in an aviation based curriculum.
a 4-year degree = great investment

a 4-year degree in aviation = horrible investment; might as well start an airline, you'll lose your money faster and you won't have to sleep through classes.

There's a reason people say get your degree outside of aviation.... it leaves you an out. I wish I had an out, I wouldn't have to worry about my job every day.
Quote: 3:1 what.....off raw...what...I'm confused......Guess I'll stick to the flying and lay off the trivia!! There are a lot of things that different people are better at than others. When fly in poor conditions I would rather have a freight dog with me, when in a shotty aircraft I would rather have an A&P with me. When looking for some useless banter I would rather fly with a guy who spend 2000 hours pounding around the patch in a crappy 172 building experience telling me how much better a pilot he is than the other guys because he didn't waste time and energy learning all that fancy aircraft wizardry he was out getting real world experience. I can tell a college grad from a mom and pop shop clown by spending a few days on a trip with him. Not only do they lack in aircraft system understanding but a great many of them lack interpersonal skills, a crutial part of CRM!!
Prior to the days when pilots descended in VNAV, you flew a jet via 3:1 glideslope. Whether at FL350 on a crossing restriction or on an ILS it works the same. And guess what, you still need to know what that is to verify if the computers are giving you good information. If you don't know the details, you will never make it through a major interview.

I'm not saying that a guy who learned to fly in a mom and pop outfit is any worse than someone going through a college. On the contrary, when I earned my private in high school my instructors were all former WWII pilots. They never spent any time on weather, FARs, etc. I got that from the King videos. When I did get to an aviation school, I was behind from a book standpoint. However, they did teach me how to fly airplanes well. And that was what my law of primacy was based off of. The book deficiency was overcome by the end of freshman year. But I was never deficient in stick and rudder skills. Choose your poison.
Quote: Prior to the days when pilots descended in VNAV, you flew a jet via 3:1 glideslope. Whether at FL350 on a crossing restriction or on an ILS it works the same. And guess what, you still need to know what that is to verify if the computers are giving you good information. If you don't know the details, you will never make it through a major interview.
He was being sarcastic.
Quote: I can tell a college grad from a mom and pop shop clown by spending a few days on a trip with him. Not only do they lack in aircraft system understanding but a great many of them lack interpersonal skills, a crutial part of CRM!!

Momma said they wuz magic bridge programs! Said they could take me anywhere!
Looks there's going to be 31 captains displaced as of March 2nd. Should be posted tomorrow...
Quote: Looks there's going to be 31 captains displaced as of March 2nd. Should be posted tomorrow...
Where did you hear this?
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