DeltaPaySoon

Disagree all you want but realize you are in the, extremely small, minority with misguided rationale. You are simply flat out wrong that a college grad in an aviation curriculum would not be more knowledgeable about the advanced technical subjects.

There wouldn't be any purpose for college if your point held water. It not just "another" option. It's the ADVANCED option.

Sorry, I should have been more clear and said I can definately tell the difference. It's not that it's right or wrong but it is obvious. That stands to reason as they have had more time in and around avanced systems, equipment,topics and classes.

300 hour pilots are not excellent at anything outside of printing their schedule. They are adequate under most situations and trying feverlessly to soak in everything they can. The reason you see the difference with non-standard procedures is that they are practiced over and over and studied thouroughly with an aviation curriculum for 2-4 years. Another reason why it's obvious to tell the difference.

Spooled

I think you are very biased, because you went to one of these colleges.

How often do you use Coefficient of lift formal or wonder what MCrit is on this or that type of air foil. How often to you use any of those technical things you learned in Aerodyanmics? Anyone can read Aerodynamics for naval aviators and have just as much knowledge as you.

Flying a jet isn't hard. Anyone can be trained to do so. I'm glad you think you can tell the difference between them. Your training program and standardization must be interesting.

You do realize some of so called 'smartest' most successful people in the world dropped out of college?

Airlines want pilots to have a college education because it makes them a well rounded person. The degree aviation or not, doesn't matter.

cencal83406

I'm confused... are you ragging on the 300 hour guys but at the same time saying these folks who come out of an aviation college have some superior knowledge that is lacking at Ma and Pa's?

I did extremely well at ERAU in our Aviation curriculum (essentially a watered way way down engineering type schedule) but I feel as even on my footing as anyone else sitting in class. Trust me on that watered down part - we were doing classes into our junior year that you practically had to have coming into ERAU to be an Engineer there.

nicholasblonde

Ha ha ha...to add to this "discussion" (is this really a discussion??? not sure if I want to dignify this thread with that term)--look at ATP's website www.pilotjobs.com touting their Mesaba jet course program grads!!! ha ha ha....

bored

Spooled - unless you're directly involved in the hiring process at XJ, I would suggest you refrain from making comments that aren't true. Yes, XJ has hired sub 600 hour pilots. Very few of them were 200-300 wonders and the ones that were, are in a very small group. INterestingly enough... the lower time folks weren't the ones struggling in training.

As for All ATPs... that's funny stuff... especially since there is NO bridge program with any of those factory schools. There are agreements with some universities, but none like Gulfstream, ATPs etc... We have indeed hired folks that received their training or instructed at All ATPs, but most if not all of them have gone onto something else before coming to XJ.

I have no HATE for Pinnacle as someone suggested, I just can't stand it when people at Pinnacle think that Mesaba is as bad as it is over there. We're both regional airlines... YES. But we're two very different kinds of companies.

norskman2

Feverlessly?

higney85

I respectfully disagree. I came from one of the "aviation colleges" and started flying a jet at 1000/250 AFTER instructing for a year or so while in college. The "cooperate to graduate" mentality works whether you are doing an aviation degree or training part 61 at a random FBO. I did my Private and Instrument at a random FBO and the instructors and personal motivation made the difference between the FBO and aviation college knowledge base. I would gladly take a guy with 6 months on the line with previous instructing experience vs. someone with 1200 hours in the plane that started with 250 hours. I can tell the difference between a military guy, civilian who paid "dues" instructing, and someone who was a 250 hour guy or gulfstreamer. The decision making and knowledge base are far better to the guys with more "base" experience that instructed or were trained in the military. As far as ERAU and UND and such, they wear the lanyards, but it doesn't make them smarter or fly better.

DAL4EVER

Yeah. DAL had hundreds of hours of open time in the domestic 757/767 ATL last week. That's just one airplane at one base. However, the dispatch thing isn't ever that bad here. It might take a few minutes but that's it. The wheels have always been "almost coming off" at 9E for years but they still make it work. The employees make the impossible, possible there as at most regionals. It never ceases to amaze me.

nicholasblonde

Well, you might not have "a ton" of ATP RJ transition course grads, but I can tell you for sure you have two!!! Because it names them on pilotjobs.com!!!!

DAL4EVER

"Flying a jet isn't hard. Anyone can be trained to do so. I'm glad you think you can tell the difference between them. Your training program and standardization must be interesting."

True. But it doesn't mean just because you can fly a jet that you have mental discipline and critical decision making it takes to be a professional. Lots of half rate guys make it through training, where you never go above 10,000 feet or 250 knots. However, there are not as many guys in the regional ranks like there used to be that can tell you how to do a 3:1 descent plan off raw data. It's not the jet flying that necessarily matters. It's the details that do.