There is no single company better at dealing with labor than UPS. Add our internal strife to the mix and a lot of folks believe we are at least another year away from a contract.

'd rather be a month away than settle for what we have heard of so far

Well, I heard something decent today paywise but I won't get all excited about it.

What have you heard? The problem I see, UPS will pay us the $, then shaft us with Scheduling and Productivity rules. And it ends up we waited 4 years for a COST NUETRAL contract. Read Art. 13 Please.

240 an hour?

I'll trade ya! I'll take your FO job and you can be a 4.5 yr furloughed legacy guy working part time in the USAFR!
You guys are in good shape up there in KY and TN.

I share your fear. 240 an hour? No way. We are asking way less than that!

Are you ready for this. In mid 2001, B. Miller turned down a mid-term agreement. Remember? UPS had offered us 250 an hour. This was still 15 below DAL at the time. This is Facts, 250 an hour. I saw the agreement.

Now, nearly 5 years later, you'll saying no way to 240? People need to raise there standards big time. I hate apathy. UPS is already winning because you wimps now want to lower are requests because of the legacy carriers.

Bull****. 250 an hour is my minimum. And needs to yours also.

What are you talking about that Bob turned down 250 an hour in 2001? The MD-11 package? He didn't turn that down, WE turned that down. I don't recall that pay component in there at all. Are you refering to some sort of a secret deal that we never heard about?

If you are looking for 250 an hour, you'd better hurry up and sign that recall petition. Like I said, we aren't even ASKING for that much. You think UPS is going to give us more than we are asking for?

[QUOTE=Nashmd11]Read Art. 13 Please.[QUOTE]

No doubt! We all have to.

I heard in the $280's for top capt. pay by the end of the contract. I tell you what though, that FO slope better be fixed. If it's not, I don't care what top capt. pay is.....I don't care how great the schedules are. If that slope is not fixed, I am voting no and I will not even waste my time reading the rest of it until that is fixed. Also, I hear the co. is going to try to throw money at us to get it to pass with crappy scheduling.......so, YES, WE ALL MUST READ THE SCHEDULING ARTICLE AS WELL.

[QUOTE=Freightpuppy][QUOTE=Nashmd11]Read Art. 13 Please.the 280 is not far off, just depends how long of a contract you are looking for. Take the proposed hourly rate, add 3% a year to it, and in 8 years you get 280. Beware of semantics.

The last proposal I was told of fixed the slope for 50% of the FO's date of signing. I asked why not 100% and was met by silence as if I should have been happy with 50%.Scheduling? I won't even go there with you.

What will sell this deal is going to be retirement getting a % of the votes, end rate pay getting some more, and a nice chunck of retro pay. Add it up and you get about 51%. Better luck next time