Any UPSers out there with info about union cards being sent to Managers? Saw a post on the Union web site that cards had been mailed to mgrs, but the posts were subsequently removed from the web board.

I heard at the sort the last week, that BT has told UPS management that he is going forward. This is one of the reasons UPS walked away from the Savings.

BM had UPS had a handshake agreement since 1996. This is why BM never followed through on his campaign promises. Once BT wouldn't kiss there butt on this issue, UPS decided to furlough. IMO.

IMO, you have the sequence backward. Cancel the MOU and furlough then the cards to Management.

Wrong!

UPS walked away from the savings because its not about the money...

I have it from a fairly reliable source that Management found out about it last night, they were just as surprised as everyone else. No threats, no promises. Maybe a last ditch effort to end the furlough.

It will be an interesting few weeks coming up...

DA

How is that? This is like raping their daughters. BT isn't going to back down on this issue and he shouldn't. There will be no trade off. I understand we will need more guys if they are working under out contract but UPS doesn't do stuff rationally. They will cut their noses off to spite their face and show us who is boss. I expect to be on the streets, actually starting to look forward to it.

A manager told me 2 weeks ago he had been told to expect this from someone on our side. I think some managers are plugged in better than others. The guys in ANC really seem plugged into the IPA, at least most.

About time we settled this issue once and for all!

Think of it this way: IMHO if the Managers are members of the union, and they want to furlough, and we have a J/A -Opentime ban, uh, how do the trips get covered that fall through the cracks?

Then you need to look at the last strike we endured, uh, who was flying during that strike? Oh ya, it was the Managers, and even if we had 50% compliance, that is a lot less stuff they can move, and hopefully the issue is resolved quicker.

Bottom Line: IMO it is a lot less likely UPS can furlough anyone with the Managers in the fold, time will tell...

DA

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Roger. One thought is that the seniority integration process will take some time. My wonder is that if they vote to join the union when do they start operating under our contract in terms of work rules? That is probably the determining factor to how much they mitigate a furlough, if at all.

NE, no chest thumping here. This is reality. The managers on property allow UPS to operate the airline with less pilots than if they were union guys operating under out contract.