Cirrus Standardized Instructor Program - Page 4

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AtlCSIP , 08-31-2010 03:30 PM

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Long story about the parachute, but the airplane was actually built around it. It was going to have a parachute from the beginning. It had to do with a mid-air collision that one of the original founders of Cirrus was involved in. He lived, other guy didn't, and he promised that, if he ever built an airplane, it would have a parachute. It will recover from a spin. Had to be demonstrated for European certification.

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Comet , 08-31-2010 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by wmuchickenhawk

What's so bad about the stalls? Neither I, nor any of my students have had a problem with them, in fact I find it to be more docile than a 172.
As for the parachute, from what I've been told it was going to be added anyways so they had it also certified as the Spin recovery rather than spending extra money to do additional spin training.

noob again here

what's are the stall characteristics of the Cirrus? It stalls earlier than a 172?

a lot of Cirrus bashing going on here :S
and people hating on the parachute lol

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wmuchickenhawk , 09-01-2010 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Comet

noob again here
what's are the stall characteristics of the Cirrus? It stalls earlier than a 172?

a lot of Cirrus bashing going on here :S
and people hating on the parachute lol

If you are reasonably coordinated the nose will barely drop and neither of the wings will drop (IME). The wing cuff design allows you to use some aileron to control the aircraft even when full stalled.
When I have students who are nervous about stalls I will sometimes show them a stall and maneuver the aircraft into gentle banks while fully stalled.
The biggest problem with the stall characteristics are that it can sometimes be difficult to recognize the stall. Because there is no nose or wing drop the first sign is usually full back-pressure with no gain in altitude.

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Comet , 09-01-2010 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wmuchickenhawk

no stall warning?
I can feel a stall coming when the C172 starts to shake like hell. I take it you don't have that feeling in the Cirrus?

thanks for the reply

I'm glad I get to learn from seasoned pros

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rdneckpilot , 09-01-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by aviator4hire

I'd love to attend CSIP training, but DANG, is it EXPENSIVE! The flight school that I worked for (now defunct, bankrupt, and hopefully will not come back) had us flying the SR 20s and 22s (we were not CSIPs) with Chinese students at the stick. We were having most of them solo around 40 hours or so because of a wide variety of problems they had. I'd much rather have students learn how to get the basic flight skills and their private pilot license in something that is a ton more docile than a Cirrus. For most beginning students, it is way too much aircraft for them to handle and way to unforgiving (think tail strikes on landings). I think a better plane for beginners to fly (and much more cheaper) would be a ol Cessna 172 or Piper Warrior. No fancy avionics, standard 6 pack, simple systems that most students should be able to handle without much trouble. After the students get their private pilot license, then step up to the Cirrus for instrument training or advanced training. That's just my .02 cents before the fall of the rest of the economny or whichever way it is heading!

If you want to get primary students sitting behind a nice glass panel to look outside and fly the airplane there is a very easy and cheap solution. I just tape a newspaper over the entire panel. Takes away the urge to play the video game and forces them to just fly the airplane. They can look inside if they really want to but there is nothing there but the comics.