American 757 off Runway at JAC

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Quote: I'm sure they all have a ton of experience handling 255K #'s on a slick runway.
I'm sure you're able to pick up on the sarcasm that was implied, as well as the slight double standard that exists.
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With all due respect, we need to hold off judgement but you either have the performance data or you don't. If you do meet the performance criteria and the airplane goes off the runway then either some of the information that you were using to determine landing data was flawed, there was a case of pilot error, or some type of mechanical failure post touchdown. It could have been any of the three but I have to believe that the numbers were good or they wouldn't have attempted the landing.
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Quote: I'm sure they all have a ton of experience handling 255K #'s on a slick runway.
Beat me to it.....

Frats,
Lee
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Quote: I'm sure they all have a ton of experience handling 255K #'s on a slick runway.
Does a/a 757 have higher landing weights? It has been a while but I thought it was 198k for most of the landing.
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Quote: True, any you never know when something was a mechanical.

Where's 80? He was one of the 757 JAC guru's at Delta.
Good point. UAL's Airbus was a mechanical issue with brake wiring for antiskid. Won't go into more details but I'm sure it can be searched on the NTSB site.

Frats,
Lee
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I don't fly for either airline, but I think one can confidently say that some of the best mountain flying pilots in the continental US are also some of the worst paid regional pilots out there.... Great Lakes.

Glad everyone was ok.
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Quote: Does a/a 757 have higher landing weights? It has been a while but I thought it was 198k for most of the landing.
Flew it for 6 months and can't remember squat about it. Having said that, I think he was trying to make a point......

Frats,
Lee
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Quote: Flew it for 6 months and can't remember squat about it. Having said that, I think he was trying to make a point......

Frats,
Lee
And so was the guy he was quoting, albeit sarcastically.......
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Quote: The FAA needs to start a mentoring program. The Regional pilots who fly 6+ legs a day into JAC, ASE, EGE, GUC, MTJ, or even TEX could share some wisdom.
Quote: I'm sure they all have a ton of experience handling 255K #'s on a slick runway.
Not defending regional pilots, but just pointing out....

Pilots flying 757s have a lot going for them that RJs don't. More high lift devices, auto-brakes, probably much better dispatchers, more frequently airports with better snow removal capabilities, etc. RJ drivers on the other hand consistently and safely take their planes into strips that are snow-covered and 6000ft long, often at uncontrolled fields, with their dispatcher saying "I'm sure you'll be fine"... and they do it on their 5th or 6th leg and 14th hour of duty for that day.

I wouldn't discount or belittle an RJ pilot flying for an airline or based somewhere that does a lot of winter operations. They probably land on a lot more tight, contaminated runways every year than their mainline counterparts, all for a lot smaller of a paycheck.

Every type of airline and airplane, no matter the size or paycheck, consistently and creatively comes up with ways to end up off the end/side of runways. There are a lot of pilots out there, regional and mainline, who need to learn what V1 means, what a touchdown zone means, what nil braking means, and what a wind limitation means. Nobody has a good enough record when it comes to this stuff that they should think they can snub their noses at anyone else.
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Quote: Does a/a 757 have higher landing weights? It has been a while but I thought it was 198k for most of the landing.
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