WalkOfShame

It was a landing I believe, not a TO. Something happened though. The news is saying it was a "brake problem", but these days I don't believe anything our major news networks say. I'm just glad to hear everyone was ok, no injuries or damage to the aircraft. I'll be interested to see what happened.

trip

You can see the reverser trys but doesn't deploy until past the terminal where the SKYW RJ is parked, better than halfway to the end.

KC10 FATboy

It is hard to see, but I think the spoilers did not deploy at touchdown. Perhaps there was not weight on the nose (causing reverse thrust to not initiate), and the MLG wheels did not spin up due to snow/ice on the runway (causing the autospoilers to not deploy).

Speculation ... speculation. Good thing that everyone is ok.

80ktsClamp

Reverse thrust is not inhibited with the nose off the ground.


A slippery runway is nothing to mess with, esp at JAC where the field elevation is 6600 and the runway is 6300 long. Every effort has to be made to ensure a good stabilized approach and no floating on landing... flaps 40 and Autobrakes of 3, 4, or even MAX should be used... MAX most definitely if theres snow on the runway.

I always briefed that if we werent on the ground by 1500 feet down, a go-around was the only appropriate option.


AA does not have a highly developed SAQ ridealong program like DL, so it would be hard to comment on their procedures and special airport operations.

80ktsClamp

They were on the ground about 500 feet down the runway... no spoiler deployment, and reverser actuation didnt occur until over 3000 feet down the runway. Reversers didnt fully spool until about 1500 feet remaining.

There's a reason we have the "speedbrake up" or "speedbrake not up" callout on touchdown around our parts....

No clue what the deal was with the reversers... those things should be selected
right at touchdown, and they are very easy to select on the 757 (some airplane I've flown you've got to really grab and pull them... the 757 reversers deploy with an intentiional flick of the wrist).

Csy Mon

So does other airlines....

Speculation here is on the air/ground sensor..That would explain no spoiler and no reverse as well as no auto-brake.

80ktsClamp

I would say thats probably barking up the right tree.

Im trying to remember if there would be any status or advisory level messages of the fault earlier.

IluvRNP

NTSB revokes AAL's party status for serious misconduct:

Press Advisory

TonyWilliams

In such incident investigations, the Safety Board frequently asks the airline involved to transport the recorders on their own aircraft as such an arrangement often provides the most expeditious means of conveying the devices to Safety Board labs in Washington. The airline is instructed to transport the recorders without delay and without accessing the information contained within them by any means. This practice has worked efficiently and without complication for more than 40 years.

During this incident investigation, the Safety Board learned that the recorders were flown to Tulsa, Okla., where American Airlines technicians downloaded information from the DFDR; the CVR was not accessed by American.

"Although a thorough examination by our investigators determined that no information from the DFDR was missing or altered in any way, the breach of protocol by American Airlines personnel violates the Safety Board's standards of conduct for any organization granted party status in an NTSB investigation," said NTSB Chairman Deborah A.P. Hersman. "Because maintaining and enforcing strict investigative protocols and procedures is vital to the integrity of our investigative processes, we have revoked the party status of American Airlines and excused them from further participation in this incident investigation."

American Airlines has assured the Safety Board that a full review of proper procedures and internal controls would be undertaken to ensure that such an occurrence is not repeated.

Despite their removal from party standing, the NTSB will provide American Airlines with any and all information needed to ensure a timely response to operational safety deficiencies identified in the course of the investigation.

Dougdrvr

I can not ever recall an airline being banned from an accident investigation involving one of their own.