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#31

drwigg , 12-22-2011 08:33 AM

New Hire

Value of life - yep, they have one.

So, this is how they (F.A.A.) figure it. There is a value of human life and a cost of implementation. As of Jan. 2011 their value is 6 million per life. Cost of implementation for cargo is between 252 - 306 million. Cost per accident between 20.35 & 33.55 million. Passenger carriers: implementation between 338 - 390 million. Cost per accident between 376 & 716 million. Cost to benefit - not so good for the cargo guys (unless we could carry a couple hundred hearts in back). So yes, as we already knew, it's about the $, not necessarily the science. Tell me you're suprised!? However, parking the plane and filling it with cement would insure an almost infinite return on investment.

#32

ThePurpleScrew , 12-22-2011 09:18 AM

Line Holder

Maybe our company friendly unions will negotiate similar rest requirements in our next contracts, so they can boost of considerable gains. This will be a given of coarse, since the friendly FAA asked the company CEO'S to voluntarily adapt them.

Merry Christmas.

Dear Santa, I would like an early retirement package, a pot of gold, a pot of platinum, Lindsey Lohan as president and peace of earth for all.

#33

magic rat , 12-22-2011 10:07 AM

Gets Weekends Off

Albie,
Thats the funniest post I've ever read!!! I need to have some of what you're smoking....

Because if you think that we have the unity to demand and act accordingly to achieve that, you gotta have some topshelf, non-medicinal herb.

Look at the historical (or should I say hysterical) unity of days gone by:

Approved pos LOA1
Bid 777 without payrate, including MEC
Tripped over eachother to fatten wallets during 4a2b
Approved LOA2 for 3% and gave company blank check

Watch how we go crazy to bid 767 before that whole debacle is decided.

Have no unity, never will, the union and its members are paper tigers...

#34

skeebo2 , 12-22-2011 10:17 AM

Banned

Of all the cargo pilots that could have only about 4000 (1500 FDX) responded to the call to action .

WE ARE OUR OWN WORST EMEMY

#35

navigatro , 12-22-2011 10:17 AM

Permanent Reserve

Quote:

Originally Posted by olly

Curious as to how the "WH" had the final say in this Rule. Did you read the final ruling, it is very enlightening. http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic...-FinalRule.pdf

It is spelled out (in 300 some pages) The WH OMB has the responsibility for cost analysis, but the FAA under the DOT has the final decision making authority (what to decide based on the cost analysis..(and industry "comments" i.e. lobbying) of the rulemaking. The report delineates the actions that the opposing lobby presented for the cut-out.

I'm disappointed with the rule, and disagree, but would like to know how the WH "made" the cut out, when the FAA makes the ruling? Read the report..

From the FAA's website:

Executive Order 12866 requires agencies to examine the costs and benefits of both proposed and final regulatory actions. DOT administrations promulgate rules to enhance safety and protect the environment, for which the monetary value of preventing injuries and loss of life must be estimated among the benefits. Administrations also undertake investments and administrative actions that must be evaluated in terms of their safety benefits.

The benefit of preventing a fatality is measured by the Value of a Statistical Life (VSL), defined as the value of improvements in safety that result in a reduction by one in the expected number of fatalities

(current life value is $5.8 million.)

I am not bashing the President (I voted for him, in fact). It is simply politics and $$$. If the OMB (white house) says it is too expensive (cost/benefit), then the FAA (under direction/pressure from the President) will change the regulation. That is the way Washington works.

#36

LeftWing , 12-22-2011 10:19 AM

Gets Weekends Off

Quote:

Originally Posted by UPSFO4LIFE

Did you guys just hear that?? It was the loud cheers and celebrations from ATL and SDF! Should we have expected anything else? Just goes to show you that if you have enough money, you can buy about any regulation you want from DC.

And to think that there are plenty of people (especially pilots) that finds no purpose in OWS.

#37

Lineslug , 12-22-2011 10:24 AM

Gets Weekends Off

Quote:

Originally Posted by navigatro

From the FAA's website:

I am not bashing the President (I voted for him, in fact).

Well, there goes your credibility...

#38

FDXLAG , 12-22-2011 10:36 AM

Gets Weekends Off

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftWing

And to think that there are plenty of people (especially pilots) that finds no purpose in OWS.

Of course we see the purpose to OWS. What is funny is that there are plenty of people (especially leftwing pilots) that dont see the irony in demands from protestors (that never worked a day in their lives) that the greedy ba$ards forgive my $100K in student loans

#39

Nitefrater , 12-22-2011 11:36 AM

gets every day off

Quote:

Originally Posted by navigatro

It is simply politics and $$$. If the OMB (white house) says it is too expensive (cost/benefit), then the FAA (under direction/pressure from the President) will change the regulation. That is the way Washington works.

So it's not too expensive for the pax carriers, most of which are in, just coming out of, or floating just above bankruptcy, but it's too expensive for the (relatively) prosperous cargo carriers... interesting logic.

#40

jungle , 12-22-2011 03:15 PM

With The Resistance

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftWing

And to think that there are plenty of people (especially pilots) that finds no purpose in OWS.

We aren't about to camp out with a bunch of smelly human derelicts braying to the Retailer in Chief about the poor quality and quantity of free hopium to stuff into our collective pipes.

If we decide we need a better Retailer in Chief, we will get one the old fashioned way, we will buy one.