Citation Type Ratings - Page 2 - Airline Pilot Central Forums

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LOCO GRINGO , 07-19-2012 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mozak18

i am curious as to how the citation type ratings work. What i mean by that is, what citation types count for what aircraft? For example with lears, an lr-jet type gives you all 20s, 30s, and 50s, with exception of the lear 31 (i may have missed a few but you get the idea). I am aware of the following citations: Citation bravo, citation excel, citation i/si, citation ii/sii, citation iii, citation ultra, citation vli, citation vl, citation v, and citation x. Do each of these aircraft require their own unique type and training or is there a mix and match like with the lears? Thanks for any and all responses.

try ac61-89e

#12

IdahoFlyer , 08-20-2012 12:56 PM

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The M2 is the Mustang 2. It looks as though the Cj1 program was just renamed the M2 as the M2 more closely resembles a CJ than it does the Mustang. I'd assume that's why the M2 will be covered by the 525 type, but that's just speculation.

#13

BoilerUP , 08-20-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by IdahoFlyer

M2 looks like a CJ because that's exactly what it is - basically a CJ1++.

G3000 cockpit vs. ProLine21, slightly uprated engines, and stubby little winglets.

#14

Climbto450 , 08-20-2012 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP

If I were a "new pilot", I wouldn't be worrying about type ratings and certainly wouldn't be thinking about buying one on my own nickel...ESPECIALLY in the current job market.

If you hold a CE525S rating, you can operate the airplane single pilot or two crew. If you hold a CE525 rating, you can only operate it crewed.

Both the CE560XL and CE650 type ratings cover a fairly limited number of airframes. The Excel will almost certainly be replaced by the Latitude and the CE650 has been out of production for many years. On the other hand the CJ2+/CJ3/CJ4 and the newly announced M2 will continue to be produced for many years and utilize the CE525 type rating.

Great advice, I never recommend someone buying a type. Most CPs I know frown upon it. Just my opinion!!

#15

HuggyU2 , 03-27-2014 07:32 PM

Get me outta here...

Just to confirm something...
The CE-525 rating will not include a rating in the CE-510/Mustang,... correct?

I ask because this AOPA article says it DOES. See the third paragraph:
What's your type? - AOPA

#16

Lucky8888 , 03-28-2014 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by HuggyU2

It does not. They are two separate ratings. You can see the newest FAA list here...http://registry.faa.gov/TypeRatings/...tCacheThis=0.5

#17

Convair5800 , 03-28-2014 02:56 AM

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Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's:

CE-500: I, II, V, Ultra, Bravo
CE-560: XLS
CE-650: III, VI, VII
CE-750: X
CE-680: Sovereign

I'm sure I'm missing some in there.

When I did my 650 at CAE, it was a course about the III with VII differences thrown in.

DirectTo,
Did you fly the 650 a lot? How did you like it? Our company owner is currently looking at a III & VII.
Thanks!
CV

#18

Yabadaba , 03-31-2014 09:33 AM

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Not directed at me, but I would encourage them to stay away from a 650. Cruise speed is great but that everything else would be a con. Legacy airplane so parts are a headache, usually has old avionics, poor TO performance and so-so range with thirsty engines.

People get sucked in by low initial cost but they become expensive. Guess if they know all of this and willing to deal with the flaws...

Oh, yeah... never buy a type. If they can afford a plane they can afford to pay for your training. If I see a type and no time in it the resume goes in the trash (unless its a 737!).

#19

DirectTo , 03-31-2014 01:55 PM

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Sorry Convair, just saw your post.

Yabadaba nailed it though. Great airplane 10-15 years ago but it's getting long in the tooth. You need a good sized runway to base it out of and some cheap fuel. Range is okay if you're based in the center of the country (we are). From the pilot perspective, performance is good and it's a nice flying bird. Avionics can vary of course.

I enjoyed flying it and the pax seemed to really enjoy it. I've no idea what they budgeted it for an hour, but I can likely find out if you're interested.

#20

Convair5800 , 03-31-2014 03:14 PM

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Yabadaba & DirectTo,

Thanks for the info!

Our owner seems to be pretty set on putting in an offer on one and upgrading the avionics. We're based in SJU and would use it mostly for Medevacs, only organs, flights out to the mainland. Of course, try to market and sell it to the occasional pax charter.