Phoenix court hears US Air seniority case

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We all knew that DP would appeal the outcome of Jdg. Silvers ruling, regardless. It buys him time..
Both the 9th and now Silver have both agreed that seniority is a UNION matter. The fact is that a joint CBA, Nic non-inclusive, DOES NOT necessarily constitute a DFR. The union has a "Broad Margin" to negotiate in good faith. The final product might in fact benefit the west!!
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Quote: No the west is not ready to move on. We have fleet mins and the Nic. Is still the list in our contract. Do you think we want to be stapled and then go merge with that list? Or do we stay separate and wait for a merge where we either get the Nic. Or a 3 way?
Oh so NOW the nic is "still the list in our contract". Who's contract? And if so, why aren't you boys bidding the 330 yet?
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Quote: Oh so NOW the nic is "still the list in our contract". Who's contract? And if so, why aren't you boys bidding the 330 yet?
If the Nic is not in our contracts as modified by the TA why is usapa trying to replace it with a different list?
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Quote: If the Nic is not in our contracts as modified by the TA why is usapa trying to replace it with a different list?
I think the answer you seek, is quite obvious by now..
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While we're arguing about this, Delta is talking about this:



I say we just do it again under the McCaskill-Bond. Then it's law. The Nic predated the McCaskill-Bond, so the government will never have the balls to step in.
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I say we just do it again under the McCaskill-Bond. Then it's law. The Nic predated the McCaskill-Bond, so the government will never have the balls to step in.
M/B specifically prohibits it's application to prior mergers.
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Quote: M/B specifically prohibits it's application to prior mergers.
I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure our pilot group hasn't merged yet. Let's get creative, I'm sure a lawyer could bend it a bit. I've read the whole M/B and I don't remember anything we couldn't work around.
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Quote: M/B specifically prohibits it's application to prior mergers.
"Prior Mergers"..That were never consummated... You fail to realize that if the AA/US thing happens, our previous TA is DOA. No provisions for a third party joining in!!
If we remain stand alone, a CBA encompassing the Nic is NON RATIFIABLE!!
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Quote: I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure our pilot group hasn't merged yet. Let's get creative, I'm sure a lawyer could bend it a bit. I've read the whole M/B and I don't remember anything we couldn't work around.
Everything is complete except for a single cba. So there aren't any misunderstandings, we will sue anyone that touches the Nic. And as the company's attorney Siegal said, we will probably win. You boys forget the company does not have to accept any of usapa's seniority proposals that aren't the Nic. (the Nic. has been accepted and placed in our cba by management)
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Quote: Everything is complete except for a single cba. So there aren't any misunderstandings, we will sue anyone that touches the Nic. And as the company's attorney Siegal said, we will probably win. You boys forget the company does not have to accept any of usapa's seniority proposals that aren't the Nic. (the Nic. has been accepted and placed in our cba by management)
And you fail to realize that SENIORITY is a union matter!! If ANYONE tries to ram the NIC down OUR throats, we will sue EVERYBODY also!! You see there are roughly 2600 east pilots who's union's merger policy explicitly states DOH. This union was voted in by a MAJORITY!!...and its By-laws are NOW binding on the membership.....including YOU...
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