I wish I could add JetbLue and Southwest and some more.

Dang it!!!

Now if we only knew the pilots needed number for all of those airlines. That way we are not tricked into thinking we have a chance to move up so we agree to sub standard pay.

Dont worry about jetblue. We have about 100 retirements in the next 10 years.

The DL numbers are off on the low side.

jetBlue rough estimate.

2013-7
2014-2
2015-4
2016-7
2017-10
2018-13
2019-12
2020-17
2021-25
2022-36
2023-37
2024-49
2025-69
2026-59
2027-56
2028-78
2029-96
2030-107

just an educated guess at these numbers there is no official list or publication... but we really hit our stride in 2030! Roughly 107/yr drop off from 2031-2040.

Southwest numbers I could find (second hand, mind you). I *believe* this is without AirTran;

2012- 14
2014- 110
2015- 100
2016- 140
2017- 160
2018- 148
2019- 105
2020- 133
2021- 149
2022- 176
2023- 266
2024- 188
2025- 221
2026- 240
2027- 272
2028- 278
2029- 250
2030- 250
2031- 239

What I believe were Air Tran's numbers were this;
2012- 0
2013- 14
2014- 18
2015- 13
2016- 20
2017- 16
2018- 18
2019- 17
2020- 18
2021- 31
2025- 25
2026- 41
2027- 46
2028- 43
2029- 62
2030- 67
2031- 56
2032- 55
2033- 63

I got the following *estimate* from an Atlas guy;
2013- 35
2014- 50
2015- 50
2016- 50
2017- 50

Your Delta numbers are too low. These are the correct numbers.

2013 - 80
2014 - 132
2015 - 184
2016 - 246
2017 - 334
2018 - 444
2019 - 527
2020 - 614
2021 - 800
2022 - 858
2023 - 812
2024 - 805
2025 - 716
2026 - 611
2027 - 516
2028 - 501
2029 - 501
2030 - 530
2031 - 470
2032 - 390
2033 - 320
2034 - 235
2035 - 180
2036 - 166

Can you believe the leading voice in the U.S. for the great "American Pilot Shortage" movement took a leap of faith across a Arizona Mesa and plunged to his untimely demise? December 21st too! At 13:22 to the second. I used to commute to my internship, in 2000, on the Boston Green Line "T" and read all of the articles in Flying Magazine about the great pilot shortage. In 2009, when I needed a job, I couldn't get one. What do these numbers really mean? Delta has been doing a really good job of making a ton of dough and not hiring many pilots. Maybe 80 since 2008? I hope all of the unhappy, well qualified, mid-seniority Jblue FO's leap at the chance to fly heavy metal for Delta and United. If that other leap possibility actually becomes reality.

Who plunged to their demise???