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Originally Posted by Deespatcher
Are you quoting your company manual, or actually quoting FAR 121.547 here ? If so, you left out a significant chunk of the FAR.
(c) No person may admit any person to the flight deck unless there is a seat available for his use in the passenger compartment, except—
(3) A certificated airman employed by the certificate holder whose duties require an airman certificate;
(4) A certificated airman employed by another part 119 certificate holder whose duties with that part 119 certificate holder require an airman certificate and who is authorized by the part 119 certificate holder operating the aircraft to make specific trips over a route
If you're looking at the CFR you can see that I've quoted the CFR -- that's Code of Federal Regulations. (Here's a link to the "electronic" version:
eCFR ? Code of Federal Regulations ) (Sidenote: Our "Company manual" still refers to them as FARs.)
I didn't quote subparagraphs (b) or (c) because they don't apply to the present discussion. Subparagraph (b) excludes employees admitted under (a)(3) who are employees of departments not directly related to flight operations. Subparagraph (c) deals with the requirement for a seat outside the cockpit for those admitted to the cockpit in subparagraph (a). If they are not admitted by (a) to the cockpit in the first place, there's no need to look at (c).
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Originally Posted by Deespatcher
Section (3) Allows for certificated airmen to ride in the flight deck of aircraft for which they are employed. Section (4) is the foundation for OAL jumpseating and CASS.
No, that would be (a)(3)(ii)(b). Let me repeat the applicable portions in a format that makes it read a little more clearly.
CFR § 121.547 Admission to flight deck.
(a) No person may admit any person to the flight deck of an aircraft unless the person being admitted is --
(3) Any person who—
(i) Has permission of the pilot in command, an appropriate management official of the part
119 certificate holder, and the Administrator; and
(ii) Is an employee of—
(B) A part
119 certificate holder and whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe operation; or
For some insight into what the FAA thinks that means, dive into
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Order 8900.1, Flight Standards Information Management System.
Specifically, look at Volume 3 (GENERAL TECHNICAL ADMINISTRATION), Chapter 2, Section 1 Exemptions, Deviations, Waivers, and Authorizations.
(web:
FSIMS Document Viewer
PDF:
http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/8900.1/v0...01_chg_60a.pdf )
Pay close attention to Table 3-0, Compliance Table: Admission to Flight Deck. For each category of "Authorized person" there is a column which states the "Applicable Regulation" which permits flight deck access, the "Authorization Circumstances (Who the Administrator is allowing)", whether "Seat in back required", and "Security Information ID, Form, or Other".
(This table dates back to
Notice N 8000.356 "Access to Air Carrier Flight Decks and Revision to OpSpec A048")
Take a look at the Authorized Position "An employee of a part 121 certificate holder whose duties are such that admission to the flight deck is necessary or advantageous for safe operations". In the 3rd column, "Authorization Circumstances (Who the Administrator is allowing)", we see lots of folks listed. Who's first?
Individuals employed by the certificate holder conducting the flight and eligible under this section include:
a) Non-operating pilots
That's the section that, as you said, "Allows for certificated airmen to ride in the flight deck of aircraft for which they are employed."
Notice that this line of the table is the only place where you'll find the word "mechanic". Item c) of the "Who's the Administrator Allowing" column is "persons whose duty is directly related to the conduct or planning of flight operations or in-flight monitoring of aircraft equipment or operating procedures, if their presence on the flight deck is necessary to perform their duties ..." They even help us understand by providing specific examples in parentheses: "(i.e. certificated dispatchers, flight followers, simulator instructors, on-duty mechanics, ...)" That's the only place you'll find "mechanic", and it's the only place you'll find "on-duty".
As far as OAL jumpseating goes, that's covered by d) of the same line in the table. (It might be a little confusing, as the table encounters a "page break" in the NOTICE, so it looks at first glance to be a new line. Actually, it's a continuation of the same line in the table onto the following page. The table format was retained in the FAA Order 8900.1 FSIMS.) Item d) is:
Individuals employed by another part 121 certificate holder whose duties with that part 121 certificate holder require an airman certificate and who is authorized by the part 121 certificate holder operating the aircraft to make specific trips over a route.
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Originally Posted by Deespatcher
Does FDX still use Freebird to run the jumpseat bookings? As i recall you could see the status of those listed.. ie P for personal, S for staging, etc...
Yes, and when I show up for work and pull up the Flight Plan I can see the person's booking status (a status in the eyes of Jumpseat Administration that has nothing to do with the FAA and the CFR) and cockpit eligibility as viewed by Jumpseat Administration. (Their interpretation of "cockpit eligible" might be correct, but if it's not, nobody from Jumpseat Administration is going to help me defend myself to the FAA.) The jumpseat listing is not available to me 12 hours prior to the flight, the time when The Company has asked me to advise a jumpseater if I don't intend to permit him or her in the cockpit.
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Originally Posted by Deespatcher
The FAR's do not delineate why they are occupying a cockpit seat, just that they can.
Oh, but they do delineate. A dispatcher is permitted on the flight deck when his presence is necessary to perform his duties, not when he's traveling on his off time to visit Aunt Suzie. An animal handler is permitted on the flight deck when it is necessary for him to perform animal handler duties, not when it just happens to be the quickest ride from Narita to Memphis. For mechanics, the regulation requires that a mechanic's "admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe operation", and the FAA Order explains that the mechanic must be "on-duty."
No such caveat applies to off-duty pilots.
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Originally Posted by Deespatcher
If any pilot says they never rode a jumpseat for personal reason (vacation, going to visit family, etc) then i call shenanigans.
And while I will not dispute the captains authority, but from this and other threads seems a few of y'all are being harsh about booting MX and DX (an occasionally crewmembers based on past threads). In my youth I rode all over the country, and to SYD and back a couple times, on a FDX plane. I never had any bad experiences, and I did make a point to bring doughnuts or cookies or some kind of snack. Which used to be common practice.
I'm obviously not familiar with any new system (it's been 12 years since i gave up my purple ID), but sounds like there's some bugs to work out.
It's a different world since September 11, 2001.
Some people still bring cookies, but the practice is not as common.
Under most circumstances, I'll do anything I can to carry eligible jumpseaters. However, I will not knowingly and willingly violate the CFR to do so.
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