FDX Jumpseats
06-07-2013 | 11:00 AM
#31
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From: protecting my license until I get the next job.
you know, seems there's a real simple solution to this issue:
1. Designate all jumpseats as "cockpit".
2. List in your FOM who can occupy cockpit jumpseats with respect to FAR 121.547. Should be pretty easy. In the case of mechanics (for example), clarify how they have permission per 121.547(a)(4) by agreement between the DO and FAA (if it indeed exists).
3. Include the verbiage similar to "by being listed on the flight release/listed in Freebird these individuals meet the requirements of all applicable FAR, etc..." in the FOM.
and finally
4. All cockpit seats are available at the discretion of the PIC and travel can be denied at any time by the PIC.
Seems pretty simple.
1. Designate all jumpseats as "cockpit".
2. List in your FOM who can occupy cockpit jumpseats with respect to FAR 121.547. Should be pretty easy. In the case of mechanics (for example), clarify how they have permission per 121.547(a)(4) by agreement between the DO and FAA (if it indeed exists).
3. Include the verbiage similar to "by being listed on the flight release/listed in Freebird these individuals meet the requirements of all applicable FAR, etc..." in the FOM.
and finally
4. All cockpit seats are available at the discretion of the PIC and travel can be denied at any time by the PIC.
Seems pretty simple.
06-07-2013 | 02:07 PM
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From: 757 Capt
Well, according to our FOM, a mechanic is approved to ride in the cockpit
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An on-duty FedEx Express mechanic en route to or from repairing aircraft in the field.
So, totally okay and approved by the FAA for "Bob" to ride with a view one day, but let him try and ride the Jumpseat (P) to visit his dying Grandma the next and all heck breaks out
And who didn't love his Grandma, all those cookies she used to bake. And who didn't cry when she taught Bob to read?
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An on-duty FedEx Express mechanic en route to or from repairing aircraft in the field.
So, totally okay and approved by the FAA for "Bob" to ride with a view one day, but let him try and ride the Jumpseat (P) to visit his dying Grandma the next and all heck breaks out
And who didn't love his Grandma, all those cookies she used to bake. And who didn't cry when she taught Bob to read?
06-07-2013 | 02:53 PM
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From: B777 FO FDX, C130 ANG
Wait until the company petitions the FAA to issue all ramp personnel FAA Certificates (Just like Flight Attendants have now) and we'll be right back to Pre 911 style riders... just saying.
06-07-2013 | 04:25 PM
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06-07-2013 | 05:11 PM
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From: Retired MD11 Capt
There’s certainly a difference between ‘booking’, and ‘permission’. What appears to be happening now is, the non-crew members will be booked in the cockpit without the knowledge of the Captain, and on review of the release 1 hour prior to push-back, he’ll realize there’s a non-crewmember cockpit jumpseater. He’s THEN obligated to either take the jumpseater, or explain in a letter to the VP Flight Ops why he bumped [him]...
However, a careful read will show that a Capt can exclude any jumpseater from a cockpit jumpseat. Furthermore, it's inappropriate for management to ask the Capt for a reason for bumping someone from the cockpit. This is the battle that was fought and won with the horse handler issue.
The note that talks about submitting a justification letter to the VP of air ops is in reference to denying a jumpseat to someone traveling under the provisions of 121.583. (i.e. cabin jumpseats OUTSIDE the cockpit, aft of an IRCD).
06-08-2013 | 10:16 AM
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From: Gear Mover
Wait until the company petitions the FAA to issue all ramp personnel FAA Certificates (Just like Flight Attendants have now) and we'll be right back to Pre 911 style riders... just saying.
06-08-2013 | 01:59 PM
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From: B-777 F/O
Mechanic and his tools
Will mechanics to be allowed to travel with "tools" in the cockpit jumpseat? I can understand going to an outstation to fix a broke jet with tools but to let them sit in the cockpit sharpening their leatherman knife
. How about a boxcutter?
Hopefully they will have the same security requirements.
. How about a boxcutter?Hopefully they will have the same security requirements.
06-08-2013 | 02:59 PM
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From: B-777 F/O
Nice. I did leave myself open for that.
One of my concerns is that crewmembers and most of FDX work in secure work areas. Mechanics are required to have tool to do their job. Many of their tools would be prohibited for a crewmember to be in possession of while on FDX property. Especially at an outstation the cockpit jumpseating mechanic has access to his work station while waiting to board. While we're giving up our nail clippers the mechanics have access to prohibited items. One level of security?
One of my concerns is that crewmembers and most of FDX work in secure work areas. Mechanics are required to have tool to do their job. Many of their tools would be prohibited for a crewmember to be in possession of while on FDX property. Especially at an outstation the cockpit jumpseating mechanic has access to his work station while waiting to board. While we're giving up our nail clippers the mechanics have access to prohibited items. One level of security?
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