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Originally Posted by cgtpilot
Last time I checked you should be happy the mainline is making record profits. A mainline carrier losing money isn't good for the commuters who fly under its flag. A mainline succedding means growth and prosperity i.e. your ticket to the big tent...
True. Although the retirement numbers do MORE to contribute to "ticket to the big tent" than just profits. Because at some places, it could be argued that if there was no age 65 passing, there would have STILL be hiring AFTER the 2008 crash. Although just a slow trickle, it would have been necessary to hire pilots at the legacies, and even SWA, FedEx, UPS, etc.
As opposed to the all out freeze and the blurb of 200-ish that happened at DAL in 2010.
Also, take a look at some of the what AA is doing to AE, and what is happening at XJT. Even though there's legacies jobs to be had, they STILL WANT concessions from the pilots at the regionals. Does that make sense?
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Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
Yeah 10 years ago was near record RJ profit margins while legacies limped towards BK. I'm quite content with today's reversal.
Sounds about right. Although the downward leverage that the legacies were able to exude on their regional feeders also had the effect of narrowing down the regional profit margins. Take a look at some of those regionals now. Reporting losses, even though the legacies are paying LESS for some of their regional feed than BEFORE 9/11.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
You know I respect your opinion, however--- remember that your peers voted for the scope that allowed that RJ to take your job!
Our world is largely not black and white- it is mostly gray (and that goes to both sides of the argument).
The REALITY of the circlejerkfest argument that ALWAYS rears it's ugly head on this topic.
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
Although regional pay can and should improve, pilots entering the industry now at the regional level have it better than at just about any time in history. It wasn't long ago that 2000-3000 hours of flight instructing got you the "opportunity" to apply for a job that required you to pay for your training and fly a 19 seat turboprop with no autopilot for $15k a year. Now there are regionals literally walking into flight schools and fighting over guys that still don't have their 1500 hours. A little perspective might be in order
True statement, and your point was beat to death in another thread. But also, as you probably know, at the time when the barrier to entry was higher, the "life expectancy" of the regional pilot was overall less than half of what it is NOW.
Meaning, in that era, a regional pilot may be max 4 years before "normal" advancement to a "career destination". Whereas now, some of the regional operators have 7-8 year FO's and 10 year CA's are STILL on reserve.
NO DOUBT, the overall job of a regional pilot is BETTER than the era you reference. But the duration of the job is much longer than that era you mentioned.