tsquare

Naaaaah. Not buying that at all. The entire regional operation is subsidized by mainline companies. Those companies get their fuel paid for, pay for departure arrangements, etc etc etc. I am amazed that you EVER cancel a flight. Your wages are too low and they suck, that is true. The problem is, that has been pointed out that your present position was never intended to be a long term career. Oh there are always guys that will be happy on $80K/year and all that, but for the most part, getting to mainline is the goal. What has occurred is a real unfortunate case of bad timing. You were caught in the same vortex that many current FOs at mainline were caught in. It sucks, and I am very sympatico, but it is the truth. The good news is that it is coming to an end, and you will be here soon.

John Carr

True, as are the other legacy carrier pilot groups.

NOT true. As mentioned, the job of a regional pilot is "better" then before. But "way more" is a bit of a stretch. Ask an AWAC pilot if it's "way more", probably not. If COMAIR was still around, it wouldn't be "way more", etc.

But just like the legacy pilot is STILL undercompensated, so is the regional. But the statement of "way more" is like telling a legacy pilot they are making "way more" than after the BK cuts. It STILL sucks.


Subsidized. Or more accurately, it's "the cost of doing business" for the legacy per the FPD/CPA arrangement that they engage in with their outsourced providers.

Hopefully the momentum gained on BOTH DAL's and UAL's scope recapture continues the trend. And the NEXT CBA's recapture EVEN MORE flying that is outsourced.

However, pilots can have short memories, as well as make the SAME mistakes over and over again. History has proven so.

IOW, in the late 90's/2000 record profits-hookers and blow era, scope was exchanged for big pay rates, DB plans, etc etc etc. We can only hope that scope REMAINS a forefront issue going forward.

TeddyKGB

I disagree. It is way more. 15 years ago there were very few $40K 3rd year FO's and $100K Captains. Today that is the norm.

PCLCREW

The same guys complaining about your high pay and their low pay are the same guys that show up to work everyday in hopes of being hired at Delta.
Saying that Delta pilots should thank regional guys for anything is ridiculous.
Come on.

John Carr

I disagree, 15 years ago I was an RJ FO. Pay/workules I hit 60K two years in a row. CA's I flew with hit over 100K routinely. Although that was with a measly/paltry 14 days off on average......

THAT WAS 15 YEARS AGO.

My friends at other carriers could do the same. And hey, two of those carriers no longer exist. The other 2 are simply shells of what they USED to be. Puhhhhhhhh-leeeeeeeeeaze don't tell my your in the camp that pilots in the regional sect were/are "overpaid".

And depending on the regional, there's few 100K RJ ca's now. Sure, they're there, but if you were take a demographic, they'd be a minority.

TeddyKGB

Well you are missing the point. 60K regional FO's pre 9/11 are very rare. I'm not saying there wasn't any but that was not the norm. If you look at the big picture and average every out, regional FO's are making much more money than there were 15 years ago. I don't know how you can deny that fact but go ahead. What regional did you make $60K at 15 years ago and what was your hourly rate? 15 years ago I was a Saab Captain and I didn't even break $60K

John Carr

No, I'm not, you are. Your mantra seems to be that the regional sector should just s-t-f-u and be happy about what they have. Yeah, because that's worked so well across all spectrums.

As mentioned,3 jobs ago it was norm for me, and friends at 3 other companies. But true, there were regionals that paid absolute shiite. But hey, there's still a legacy kinda sucks too.

Agree, but adjust even the lower paid ones for inflation/buying power compared to now. I'm a believer in what some of the other guys in the thread said. DAL, and other legacies are STILL underpaid compered to pre concession levels. And these profits were helped along greatly by that.

Read the above, I'm NOT denying ANYTHING. As far as where I worked, PNCLCREW spent time there, maybe he'll chime in

And as you should know, hourly rate DOESN'T, nor does it EVER tell the WHOLE story.

Where did YOU work before DAL?

TeddyKGB

The original point was that regional FO's make more today than they did 15 years ago, Delta pilots don't. The end.

John Carr

Gorcha, so the mantra is, the regional side should just s-t-f-u and be happy. Sweet......

15 years ago today, was pre C2001, what were DAL rates? I mean, if you want to get all technical and detail orientated.......

IIRC, 764 was a "breakthrough" at $265ish an hour circa summer 2000 after dragged out negotiations over a new fleet type, etc.

TeddyKGB

I have no mantra and I never said anyone should s-t-f-u. You totally missed my point and I am not going to re explain it. Reread the thread from where I chimed in and maybe the light bulb will go on for you. Good day.