I understand we all would like to resolve this contact, BUT SLOW DOWN! How can we make an educated choice until we know the details? I will not vote to approve any contract from a Power Point presentation. Demand Final Contract Language before they allow voting. Ask, why the high pressure rush job from Management? Scares me. Vote YES or NO, but please have all the details first.

At Eagle we did that with the flow-thru (Letter 3) in 1997. Once the language came out, it told a significantly different story then the bullet points, not that it mattered as that agreement was MEC ratified as opposed to membership.

I think that is just on combining intl/dom and the APA's approval was conditional on that final language. Right?

That's the way I took it. I don't think many are saying they'll blindly vote yes on anything thrown their way. Most who say they'll vote yes will vote yes barring any gross contractual issues present in the language. Given the company asks, they seem pretty specific, so that language shouldn't be overly complex.

My point is simple. Final Contract Language, all Contract! The devil is in the details! Sure the pay rates are published and most pilots stop right at that page. We need the whole deal to review.

Absolutely. But how many will read it? From the posts on here about rigs it's obvious that few have even opened up the MTA.

We get burned on this all the time. We voted for a MOU that had a 1-3.25 rig for trips with more days than DPs, only to have the APA give it away.

One sad fact is that the contracts are written in a way that 10 guys could read it and get 10 different interpretations. Probably by design.

I want the theory that the company 100% cannot get HBT in arbitration spelled out in clear terms.

We have a lousy track record with arbitration.

So as long as the **** pile's peanuts and corn kernels are still intact, it's edible ?

No thanks.

What is the most profitable area of a credit card company or bank? Penalty and fees. Why? Because you don't read the contract. All that fine print. Pages that make you put it down and sign anyway. You show a good grasp of what is happening here. Most pilots are no different than Joe6Pack getting his new rims and tires. He won't read the fine print. But he got a killer deal. He will pay for that deal. Over and over. Easy money.

You not only need "the whole deal to review", you need the TIME to review it. Wonder why there is such a rush to a deal? Joe will sign.

Give the man a cigar! Everything done at this level is planned far in advance. Abso-damn-lutely by design. That is why the company pays the big bucks (if you found out how much the company was paying their attorneys you would eat a bottle of Tums). I will also abso-damn-lutely guarantee there are ten different versions already written, depending on need. My record was 22 variations. I made a killer bonus that year.

Of course, which makes it all the more puzzling (and tragic) that we are willing to perpetuate the same errors time and again expecting a different result. It will happen this time and it will once again in 2020...or 2025, if Parker doesn't want to come out and play for awhile.