No, most likely that red eye would have been rolled into a 4 day trip by the optimizer. You can't just take the current trips and add calendar day. Those trips they could change, they would.

How is your TAFB? I live in base and bid red eyes. Much better QOL than the 4 days I can hold. Commuter? Not so much.

Am I reading this right? No min day pay? What are the duty rigs? So basically AA pilots will bring home far less pay than DL or UA guys when working the same number of days? I can't tell you how many times I work a redeye that gets in at 5am and still make 5 hours, or have a 2 night layover and credit the 5 hours for the day I didn't fly. There has to be more to the story.....

Here were the rates in place in 2013 for some perspective

Before you L-US guys ***** look at how far you've come in such a short time.

Most of the stuff given up didn't even effect you because your contract didn't have it (HBT, intl/dom, etc).

Keep those in mind when it comes to the SLI. Most FOs will be making more than any captain ever did.

Second year Group II pays more than topped out 330 FO did.

No more to the story. Those work rules were not part of the JCBA, and they weren't there with either a Yes or No vote. Management has refused to fix those items. However I do believe the union will be able to get a fix in via side letters, as delta did, when the company needs the union's cooperation with merger and implementation issues.

1) Delta 717 has 110 seats.
https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...oeing-717.html

2) Delta has no E190s and no plans to get them.

3) To get a 7% raise above Delta you needed to get a 23% (7% + 16.5% in profit sharing) raise above Delta rates. A pilot at delta making $150000 in flight pay will $24,750 on 2/14/2015.

4) Sucks for Delta in this section 6, because AA just extended their BK work rules from 5 more years (ie 5 hour avg vs 5:15 calendar day). Delta ALPA will now struggle to make any gains thanks to this deal APA just signed.

Sigh....

Work rule side letters from AMR??? Surely you jest!!

Thanks bro go back to counting your money.

Just Facts... Maybe the words of your own MIA APA Reps is better...

"Mr. Parker believes that pilots “don’t have that much impact on daily profits” and he is obviously not interested in compensating us like our peers at Delta and United who do have profit sharing. Management’s LBFO leaves us considerably lagging when compared to what we know will be 2015 Delta pilot W2 earnings and, what’s worse, that’s based on a contract that both ALPA and Delta management have committed to amend before yearthe end of this . Remember, this is about total compensation; it is not just limited to just hourly pay rates. Even if Delta ALPA only achieves a small hourly rate increase, their 2016 W2 earnings will almost certainly still include profit sharing or other compensation improvements landing them some 20% higher than our own management’s LBFO compensation proposal of today."

DAL needed something like a 23% raise on Jan 1 2016 (not life of contract) in order to hit our rates. IIRC the last one you got was what, 7, 5, 3, 3?

In addition, there was a clause about higher than normal increases being thrown out (ie if you converted profit sharing to hourly rates).

Everyone is on this profit sharing kick but the truth is, Doug was right when he said it was a bankruptcy era pay structure.

I'm super happy it's working out swell for you guys right now and gives you some awesome numbers to throw around whe you gloat about it though.

You should buy cars on a lease too. Leases were invented for such naiveté and garish optimism.