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Quote: That doesn't limit the Company from predominantly displaying the Delta livery on an international partner's aircraft. Look at all the aircraft on DCI. They are all painted in Delta colors. Why not these Chinese carriers? What language in our contract prevents it? I don't think Delta even needs to ask anyone.
What's your agenda here?

It's not to teach us about scope. So, what is it?
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Quote: Why waste ink on that provision in the TA then?
So you are ok with international partner aircraft painted to look like a Delta plane. Got it.
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Who explains to the board the giant Widget on a pranged China bird?
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Quote: What's your agenda here?

It's not to teach us about scope. So, what is it?
Get to the bottom of whether or not a foreign carrier flying for Delta can paint a Delta livery on it's aircraft when doing international partner flying. Can they or can't they? There seems to be some confusion about this.
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Quote: Get to the bottom of whether or not a foreign carrier flying for Delta can paint a Delta livery on it's aircraft when doing international partner flying. Can they or can't they? There seems to be some confusion about this.
They probably would have to have approval by the MEC. Not just the chairman.

Btw. I think if we had voted in na15, we'd pretty much be shafted by the obvious deals that were in the works which pushed the timeline for the vote.
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Quote: They probably would have to have approval by the MEC. Not just the chairman.

Btw. I think if we had voted in na15, we'd pretty much be shafted by the obvious deals that were in the works which pushed the timeline for the vote.
Where is it written that they would have to be approved by the MEC? I ask, because I can't find it.

Also, it seems like Delta is executing on these deals with our existing contract, you'll have to connect the dots on why that is, but it certainly isn't because of the TA language, because that language is not in effect.

You also wrote this earlier:

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We settled on a floor in pacific flying 20% below what the NWA language had. [/QUOTE]

I did a quick check on the Pacific LOA and I found this:

"Converting the 316 weekly slots to annual block hours results in a value of 116,400 hours, representing 54 percent of the 2014 projected Pacific block hours. While the 316 slots protected 80 percent of the NRT slots in 1998 (but only 54 percent of the currently projected Pacific block hours), LOA 13-03 protects 85 percent of all pacific block hours."

"The 182,750 block hour floor represents 85 percent of the 2014 projected Pacific block hours."

So explain how "we settled on a floor in pacific flying 20% below what the NWA language had." Simple math to me is that 182,700>116,400. Or were you talking about a different LOA?
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Quote: That doesn't limit the Company from predominantly displaying the Delta livery on an international partner's aircraft. Look at all the aircraft on DCI. They are all painted in Delta colors. Why not these Chinese carriers? What language in our contract prevents it? I don't think Delta even needs to ask anyone.
You know you can look this stuff up too. The DCI aircraft, although you have to look hard, Say Delta Connection. Not Delta. I know I know the MEC should have put a little more effort into enforcement when they started to separate the words on the side of the aircraft and you can barely read "connection" but it is there and here is where it says it in our contract also in section 1.

7.Delta Connection flying aircraft will only bear the name “Delta” as part of a phrase referencing a Connection-type operation.
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Quote: Where is it written that they would have to be approved by the MEC? I ask, because I can't find it.

Also, it seems like Delta is executing on these deals with our existing contract, you'll have to connect the dots on why that is, but it certainly isn't because of the TA language, because that language is not in effect.

You also wrote this earlier:



I did a quick check on the Pacific LOA and I found this:

"Converting the 316 weekly slots to annual block hours results in a value of 116,400 hours, representing 54 percent of the 2014 projected Pacific block hours. While the 316 slots protected 80 percent of the NRT slots in 1998 (but only 54 percent of the currently projected Pacific block hours), LOA 13-03 protects 85 percent of all pacific block hours."

"The 182,750 block hour floor represents 85 percent of the 2014 projected Pacific block hours."

So explain how "we settled on a floor in pacific flying 20% below what the NWA language had." Simple math to me is that 182,700>116,400. Or were you talking about a different LOA?
Keep in mind that the NRT agreement was secured by one small codeshare to and from NRT to a couple of points. The code share was literally a few passengers a day. The company could have discontinued the code share and we had zero protections at that point.
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Quote: So what you are saying is that there is no language that prevents them from doing this, but because there is no language that allows it they can't do it? I'm not sure that the contract works that way.
Quote: It's not against the contract, it's against the Railway labor act. Pilots must specifically permit management to do alter ego flying.
Mesabah beat me to it. Section 1 is different under the RLA.

Carl
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Quote: Good thing one man doesn't have the power to give up scope and branding/livery.
It sure is. That was very close to being a disaster for us.

Carl
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