Delta to buy stake in China Eastern Airlines
07-27-2015, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon7
So you are ok with international partner aircraft painted to look like a Delta plane. Got it.
07-27-2015, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon7
That doesn't limit the Company from predominantly displaying the Delta livery on an international partner's aircraft.
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Look at all the aircraft on DCI. They are all painted in Delta colors.
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Why not these Chinese carriers? What language in our contract prevents it? I don't think Delta even needs to ask anyone.
It's a very big deal because if it was the first iteration I listed above, unions couldn't possibly come up with a list long enough of specific prohibitions of what management can't do. Instead, we in effect prohibit everything unless we specifically allow it in scope.
Hope that helps.
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07-27-2015, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon7
So you are ok with international partner aircraft painted to look like a Delta plane. Got it.
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07-27-2015, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Alaska's scope contract is the exact opposite, everything is permitted, and it lists what Alaska pilots are permitted to do. It's literally the worst scope contract in history, and it's an ALPA contract.
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07-27-2015, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon7
That doesn't limit the Company from predominantly displaying the Delta livery on an international partner's aircraft. Look at all the aircraft on DCI. They are all painted in Delta colors. Why not these Chinese carriers? What language in our contract prevents it? I don't think Delta even needs to ask anyone.
Why did C2015 then include the language that permitted the MEC chair to allow the company to use the Delta livery on international partners?
I mean, if the company has free rain to do that now under C2012, then why the added language?
07-27-2015, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Without even referencing the PWA....
Why did C2015 then include the language that permitted the MEC chair to allow the company to use the Delta livery on international partners?
I mean, if the company has free rain to do that now under C2012, then why the added language?
Why did C2015 then include the language that permitted the MEC chair to allow the company to use the Delta livery on international partners?
I mean, if the company has free rain to do that now under C2012, then why the added language?
07-27-2015, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SawF16
If the company has free reign to do that now, it's protection for us that isn't there now.
I don't remember much discussion on the benefit of adding the language to the contract during the road shows, and I certainly don't remember much of it on the survey.
07-27-2015, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MtEverest
From a pilot's perspective, Richard Anderson and DALPA are proving to be more damaging to Delta pilot flying than NAI or any other threat in recent history.
Irony: We've been writing letters to government to protect Delta pilots jobs while Delta Inc is sleeping with as many partners as humanly possible using money Delta pilots helped generate to pay the debt....all while giving Delta pilots the middle finger.
Anderson says we cannot operate 777-300's or anything that size economically yet many of our code share/JV's do just fine with them. Delta management doesn't care where the money comes from or about Delta pilots. Just as long as they get rich, nothing else matters.
Btw, has anybody done a comparison of our order book to that of United or American lately. They seem to be able to make money with the large 777's organically. We can only make money with them through equity shares flown by other than Delta pilots
Irony: We've been writing letters to government to protect Delta pilots jobs while Delta Inc is sleeping with as many partners as humanly possible using money Delta pilots helped generate to pay the debt....all while giving Delta pilots the middle finger.
Anderson says we cannot operate 777-300's or anything that size economically yet many of our code share/JV's do just fine with them. Delta management doesn't care where the money comes from or about Delta pilots. Just as long as they get rich, nothing else matters.
Btw, has anybody done a comparison of our order book to that of United or American lately. They seem to be able to make money with the large 777's organically. We can only make money with them through equity shares flown by other than Delta pilots
07-27-2015, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon7
Get to the bottom of whether or not a foreign carrier flying for Delta can paint a Delta livery on it's aircraft when doing international partner flying. Can they or can't they? There seems to be some confusion about this.
Actually I also think Section 1.D.2.c covers it. Thoughts anyone?
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