In case anyone hasn't see this. Essentially their top 737 pay will match our failed TA1 top pay except 1 year earlier. I think the economics of our TA2 just went up.

This is from ualpilotsforum.org from a reliable source

Duration 2 years amendable on 1/31/19

• 1/1/16 16% raise
• 1/1/17 3% raise
• 1/1/18 2% (this may be off a percentage one way or the other)

• DAL ME TOO PAY RATE CLAUSE – Whatever DAL gets in terms of pay rates during the 24 months of extension (strictly pay rates, i.e., not for bonuses), the UAL pay rates go to that number.

• LOA 25 pilots made whole. 39 million dollar bucket distribution determined by ALPA.

• MOU 22 Language changes. Concept of company buying insurance policy, i.e., if they make an offer and pilot accepts he gets the add pay no matter what happens, changes to the pilot only gets the add pay IF in the actual operation the pilot goes over FAR 117 time. Also, if one pilot refuses to waive and the others do, they can fly the airplane home (this applies only to N. Atlantic operation).

• FRMS - agreement but no details revealed. Suspect that most international flights that are now critical in terms of CCO times (i.e., DEL, BOM, EWR-HKG, etc.) will be extended such that MOU 22 would be irrelevant.

• Apparently no concessions on SCOPE

• Apparently No Reserve improvements

Voting NO pending the final terms.

Why?

Because our idiot master chariman is horrible poker player and couldn't have even though of other items that needed to be fixed in our contract. The company came to us first and only wanted to talk about 5 items on THEIR list...

So, we wont be able to fix anything else for at least three years..Why does the company want to extend this contract?

They are betting on the come that in three or more years their profitability will be lower.

Anyway, I predict it passes at least 67/33

If true...Effective Jan 2016

737...............$245
767...............$254
77/78/747......$305

These rates while keeping profit sharing (about one month's pay check in 2015) and 16% B fund (including spillover to a Retiree Health Account when contributions exceed $53,000/year).

Meanwhile the concessionary parts of our contract will live on for another 3-5 years minimum...

It will take more than a 13 percent raise for me to vote yes, living with the warts of two dissimilar pre merger contracts and the vestiges of the LUAL bankruptcy contract..

If you don't know what those things are, you are not as informed as you will need to be to make a proper voting decision.

Good luck to us all.

Don't worry Bro. Myself and about 70% of the rank and file will vote yes....if given the chance. Then you can enjoy the pay raise, and still beat your chest about how you voted no. You're welcome.

Sled

I bet its 73/27 No chest beating from me. I did vote YES (twice) on C-2012.

And you missed the point of my post above. But I guess a blind zest to vote yes will do that.

Its pretty much the way scope had been given away since I was a new hire when UAL only had 7 regional jets named by N number in our contract. Pilots turned right to section 3 and based their votes on that only...

Good luck.

There were 18 Air Willy 146's. Not 7. You want the N numbers? I was here for that, too. The 1997 RJ side letter was not about section 3. More about keeping up with AMR and DAL. Now, contract 2000 did expand them somewhat. Maybe that's what you're talking about?

Ok, it was more than 7. If I wasn't so lazy, i would have gone upstairs and looked it up.

Again you missed the point of my post.

You're right. You lost me at "idiot MC"