How is it that such an extremely conservative demographic embraces such extreme Marxist viewpoints and totally loses sight of the fact that endless pattern bargaining managed to turn Detroit and most of Michigan into a pile of rust?

Contractual improvements and fair compensation, as determined by the collective working under said collective bargaining agreement, are a good thing. Attempting to force your employer out of business in the name of "the greater good" is asinine at best.

Let's hope both sides can get away from one-upmanship in a few days and get us something to vote on.

You are absolutely clueless how UPS/FEdEx use pattern bargaining to get the great contracts they have today.

Or Delta, UAL, AA and others.

How the hell is pattern bargaining Marxist? WTH are you babbling about?

As for Detroit going to hell.....it is because the quality of the product went down while other countries made tremendous gains in quality.

As for forcing employers out of business.....are you claiming that pilot groups with good contracts are forcing their employer out of business?

Who would that be? UPS FedEx Delta UAL AA SWA? Which one(s)?

You just can't help yourself, can you?

Is it even possible for you to try and make a point without hurling insults at people? ( that's rhetorical, of course).

You say that some (you have named them in the past including me) are liars, Stooges, ignorant, and now of course, donning tinfoil hats all because we have voiced a concern that 1224 is forcing us to carry water for other carriers for items that we did not even want to negotiate for.

You decry us LIARS for even suggesting that and in the same breath, lecture us on the need for "Pattern Based Bargaing".

The great irony here is that you are completely obtuse to the paradoxical nature of these assertions!

Your CONSTANT presence here, representing the will of 1224 gives credence to our concern, not your denial of it!!

I will not pretend to understand what deep-seeded emotional scar you carry that compels you to CONSTANTLY get on a website (string) designed for pilots of one company (of which you are not employed) and bash, ridicule, admonish and/or imply that you are the keeper of some great knowledge that none of us possess.

Let me make it crystal clear.
You are not the keeper of greater wisdom.
You do not possess an understanding the rest of us don't.

You are just one guy with an opinion and a Tourette's based need to voice that opinion over and over and over...

The simple fact is, you are influencing no one at Omni. In fact, your constant presence regurgitating 1224 propaganda, the childish and insulting way that you choose to communicate with people is doing harm to the very cause you believe you are trying to promote.

Finally, I find it curious that in one of your recent post, YOU refer to 1224 as WE.
Why don't you be honest? Just come clean- Who are you and what is your REAL AGENDA?

Since I know that is confusing for you, I'll give you an Example:

My name is Scott Thompson
I'm a line holding First Officer at Omni
I hold no Union Position in my pilot group nor at the 1224 level.

I am in "good standing" with my current union as i was for 17 years at ALPA. I have been a professional pilot for 28 years. My knowledge, experience and understanding of the for mentioned topics is commensurate with that history.

So, now it's your turn; Put up or please, PLEASE shut up.

Great post, but asking it to be civil or be quiet is like watering a weed. Starve it of attention and it will shrivel up and go away.

Excellent Post

We will never see Screwed again, he will put his tail between his legs and run. He will never man reveal his name for fear that reality would set in and ne will get his Mary Jane a.. kicked.

And his continued reference to We and his post on the Atlas threads proves he is an Atlas guy and always refers to We when references the 1224 which shows all of us who controls the 1224.

I will post my real name as soon as EVERYONE of you post yours first.

Never hid the fact that I am an Atlas pilot.

I hold no union position with 1224.

When I was a member of ALPA for 18 years I did hold a union position for 14 of them.

As far as my so called attacks on poor Omni pilots....I am just defending Atlas pilots, D.W. and 1224. I did not start posting here until the lies and attacks by Omni pilots began. Sorry you don't get a free pass to attack, lie and malign any Atlas pilot or Teamster official.

As far as Rosebud 10 is concerned.....keep up the threat of physical violence. Just goes to show your mentality and that of your friends that post here.

Screwed: “I’m only here defending Atlas, DW, and 1224....”. Yes we know. Many of us understand that completely. Thank you for yet again proving the point I have been making for a lonnng time.

747 died. The record shows why that happened.

K4 just left. The record shows why that happened.

Some things never change. “Atlas”. Thanks again Screwed for proving it.

Outstanding post Scott T. Outstanding!!

I'm just dying to meet a single Atlas pilot who feels the need ro be "defended" by a keyboard courage only warrior like you.

But, this pretty much went the way we all thought... your bravado exist only when you can hide behind anonymity.

You sir, are a coward and a stain on the Atlas pilot group.