When discussing pay it is always important to define it. Gross? AGI? Take home? And when does the first year start,? DOH? Start of OE?

Give 3 pilots the same money and there could easily be 3 different views of how much it is.

Atlas is a far better place to be than an RJ. FO's have a good history of leaving Atlas for better paying jobs even before an upgrade.

The freight industry hasn't caught up to the new pilot demand contract wise. 60'ish is a realistic first year number, more if you really hump it. I dont believe first year is any better (if much) elsewhere.

Kalitta........



Of all fking places

Im sorry my brain just hasn't had time to process that.

I do stand corrected

do you get a PIC type or SIC nowadays in the freight biz.

If they don't wash out a new hire in training due to the check and intimidate training department, one will walk away to their next job with a type rating. In their defense, it has gotten better but we still have a lot of pilots washing out.

That tends to happen when you take a Cessna Caravan pilot and throw him in a 747. The well is drying up.

how many are washing out? any why?

Seems to come in waves. One bust for a big class seems normal on the 747, but then you'll have a class of 24 where 5-6 bust the ride. Usually it's a bad day (pod strike, stall/spin on the 2-engine approach) combined with unforgiving standards. Bust rate on the 767 is much lower. But we're seeing an increase in people washing out even before the ride because the jet was just too much of a leap for them, and the training department isn't geared to bring them up to speed.

thx for the info..
most are coming from regional jets though - is it that much of a leap?
i can see coming from something slower and less complex, but… maybe I'm missing something.

Also, I'm not saying they should keep training people until they pass, but if someone needs an extra sim ride or a re-check on the check ride, wouldn't they be better off doing that instead of washing people out and then complaining they don't have pilots?