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05-24-2018 | 03:19 PM
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05-24-2018 | 04:47 PM
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05-24-2018 | 05:25 PM
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
05-25-2018 | 10:55 AM
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Do you ever get parked by a ramper who just stares at the nosewheel? The guy who never looks at his wing walkers but has to make sure the tires are perfectly center on that yellow line? I have a feeling that this was the case here. I'm imaging the wing walker trying to get the attention of the marshaller while the marshaller was too busy trying paying attention to the nosetires.
Just my opinion. And yes ASAP would cover this. I've seen worse happen and the pilot was protected under ASAP.
Just my opinion. And yes ASAP would cover this. I've seen worse happen and the pilot was protected under ASAP.
05-25-2018 | 11:59 AM
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This is not sole source and not protected at all by ASAP. Neither was my issue buuuuut my asap was noted and appreciated and was explicitly told it helped deminish the corrective action taken.
So indeed, always file an ASAP
So indeed, always file an ASAP
05-25-2018 | 12:17 PM
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Sole source is not required for asap. Protections are better with sole source
Last edited by rickair7777; 05-25-2018 at 03:36 PM. Reason: Corrected Auto-correct
05-25-2018 | 01:59 PM
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I agree with Rickair. They are covered. In this case, I believe that most of the blame goes to the ramp crew for not following proper protocol since someone was not paying attention.
The ASAP committee could still recommend some sort of non-punitive action (verbal coaching, training, etc). However, our ASAP agreement with the company and the FAA will most likely exclude punitive actions.
The main thing is that ALL parties will learn and make changes to procedures at BUR.
As a side note, the airplane only has a few minor scrapes on the upper part of the winglet. This is amazing considering the type of collision involved.
The ASAP committee could still recommend some sort of non-punitive action (verbal coaching, training, etc). However, our ASAP agreement with the company and the FAA will most likely exclude punitive actions.
The main thing is that ALL parties will learn and make changes to procedures at BUR.
As a side note, the airplane only has a few minor scrapes on the upper part of the winglet. This is amazing considering the type of collision involved.
05-25-2018 | 02:07 PM
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I don't think rampers were in this position as the 175 would have still been on the "taxi way/ramp/runway" just prior to turning into the parking area. They would however be responsible for parking the bus short of where it should have been parked.
05-25-2018 | 02:34 PM
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I'm sure we will see some FOAB coming out of this in the near future.
Obviously... if you are being marshaled in and you feel that it is not safe to continue. It is your responsibility to stop until the situation is rectified. Once you start moving, you need to follow the instructions from the marshaler. Is all ground equipment (including other airplanes) are on the other line of the clear lines? I think you can make a case that it wasn't your fault.
05-26-2018 | 09:07 AM
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I agree with Rickair. They are covered. In this case, I believe that most of the blame goes to the ramp crew for not following proper protocol since someone was not paying attention.
The ASAP committee could still recommend some sort of non-punitive action (verbal coaching, training, etc). However, our ASAP agreement with the company and the FAA will most likely exclude punitive actions.
The main thing is that ALL parties will learn and make changes to procedures at BUR.
As a side note, the airplane only has a few minor scrapes on the upper part of the winglet. This is amazing considering the type of collision involved.
The ASAP committee could still recommend some sort of non-punitive action (verbal coaching, training, etc). However, our ASAP agreement with the company and the FAA will most likely exclude punitive actions.
The main thing is that ALL parties will learn and make changes to procedures at BUR.
As a side note, the airplane only has a few minor scrapes on the upper part of the winglet. This is amazing considering the type of collision involved.
Having said that, I don't think they'll take any action than some re-training. **** happens. I also think the CA is an extremely senior CA at the company.
