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Originally Posted by Fixnem2Flyinem
(Post 2638685)
I’ll elaborate for you then. 3 sick calls to be exact, 3 calls in 8 months. TG did just want heads to roll, such a stand up character that guy is, an excellent leader and manager as well.... ha
Anyway enough my sob story it’s been shared before. It’s just another example of how the biggest best company really doesn’t care about the guys/gals in the front of their planes. You can defend the company all you want, but if they thought more of you they would offer you way better deals than the last two and not require new hires to share rooms, excuse me share “suites”.. When I started in the industry, I would have been very scared to call in sick more than maybe twice on probation. Things have changed for the better, but it does sound like you pushed the grey area just a bit, and unfortunately they needed to make an example that month. But I don't give a crap about new hire hotel arrangements, you can get your own room or get a job somewhere else if you like. My room mate was cool, otherwise I would have got my own room in a heartbeat. I played the game on probation, and am long gone from SKW. I would never have gotten my current job if I got fired from a regional for reliability. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2639365)
I'm not defending anything, just saying there is a line to not cross in this industry. The line moves sometimes, and being on probation doesn't help.
When I started in the industry, I would have been very scared to call in sick more than maybe twice on probation. Things have changed for the better, but it does sound like you pushed the grey area just a bit, and unfortunately they needed to make an example that month. But I don't give a crap about new hire hotel arrangements, you can get your own room or get a job somewhere else if you like. My room mate was cool, otherwise I would have got my own room in a heartbeat. I played the game on probation, and am long gone from SKW. I would never have gotten my current job if I got fired from a regional for reliability. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2639365)
When I started in the industry, I would have been very scared to call in sick more than maybe twice on probation. Things have changed for the better, but it does sound like you pushed the grey area just a bit, and unfortunately they needed to make an example that month. You know, that's just plain scary. I mean, I know that as a group regional pilots are young and healthy, but damn.., if any of you have kids in preschool or kindergarten, they bring home all sorts of crud. And how hard is it to break an ankle - just jogging on uneven ground even. I think it is perfectly acceptable for the airlines to do what the military did, have you bring a clearance form (1042 in the USAF) anytime you see the flight doc with his/her opinion of whether you ought to be flying or not, but so damn much of getting sick is absolutely not within the span of control of the person getting sick that a policy like you described seems like simply punishing someone (and throwing away the effort made to train them) for nothing more than statistically bad luck. You might as well have a hundred pilots flip a coin five times and fire everyone that gets heads all five times. That will give you about three percent sacrificial goats. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2639409)
You know, that's just plain scary. I mean, I know that as a group regional pilots are young and healthy, but damn.., if any of you have kids in preschool or kindergarten, they bring home all sorts of crud. And how hard is it to break an ankle - just jogging on uneven ground even.
I think it is perfectly acceptable for the airlines to do what the military did, have you bring a clearance form (1042 in the USAF) anytime you see the flight doc with his/her opinion of whether you ought to be flying or not, but so damn much of getting sick is absolutely not within the span of control of the person getting sick that a policy like you described seems like simply punishing someone (and throwing away the effort made to train them) for nothing more than statistically bad luck. You might as well have a hundred pilots flip a coin five times and fire everyone that gets heads all five times. That will give you about three percent sacrificial goats. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2639429)
That was a long time ago. It was understood that not everybody would finish probation, and there was some luck involved. The idea was to try to make some of your own luck. Things are a lot kinder and gentler today.
That is a glaring safety issue when a pilot fears to call out sick or fatigued because the company could fire them while they are on probation. It took a series of noteworthy accidents and incidents like Shuttle America Flight 6448 for the FAA to press the airlines to take pilots seriously who call out sick or fatigued. |
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