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yeeeyeee 07-07-2018 06:30 PM

making you pay for hotel
 
Who else has to pay for their own hotel while interviewing with Skywest? Every other regional has paid for it. Why is Skywest seriously trying to be cheap ***holes.

Quarryman 07-07-2018 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by yeeeyeee (Post 2629850)
Who else has to pay for their own hotel while interviewing with Skywest? Every other regional has paid for it. Why is Skywest seriously trying to be cheap ***holes.

Wait until you get your double occupancy room during training.

zondaracer 07-07-2018 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by yeeeyeee (Post 2629850)
Who else has to pay for their own hotel while interviewing with Skywest? Every other regional has paid for it. Why is Skywest seriously trying to be cheap ***holes.

Because people still come here. 77 new hires in June.

Excargodog 07-07-2018 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by Quarryman (Post 2629870)
Wait until you get your double occupancy room during training.



With Pay: $37.23/hr with 65hr guarantee in Training


On CRJ fleet, all soft time (vacation, sick, deadhead, min day credit, training, etc) are paid at CBR (CRJ Base Rate, aka. CRJ 200).

saywhat 07-07-2018 07:49 PM

I have to say, I am looking at regionals right now. My first concern is location and SkyWest has always been at the top of my list. BUT, the company is really losing its luster. I am on older guy (49) able to retire from my current flying job, and sharing a hotel room during training is a HUGE no go. I really hope that management there realizes they aren't the only game in town (West Coast) and that the Skywest reputation wont carry them forever.

Good luck to all you current SkyWest drivers! Hope you get the improvements you deserve

amcnd 07-08-2018 05:59 AM

We have heard it all.. SkyWest is still ran like a 550 count pilot group airline. That should sum it up.. I think there is a glimmer of hope ahead of us.l, with regards to QOL. Will see. But im hearing. No picking up extra block hours from our partners to gelp out the competition that can’t suport themselves..

Excargodog 07-08-2018 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2630061)
We have heard it all.. SkyWest is still ran like a 550 count pilot group airline. That should sum it up... But im hearing. No picking up extra block hours from our partners to gelp out the competition that can’t suport themselves..

Which would be good for all pilots since the demise of regional flying would eventually force the majors to take this flying back and hire the pilots to staff it.

gojo 07-08-2018 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2630061)
We have heard it all.. SkyWest is still ran like a 550 count pilot group airline. That should sum it up.. I think there is a glimmer of hope ahead of us.l, with regards to QOL. Will see. But im hearing. No picking up extra block hours from our partners to gelp out the competition that can’t suport themselves..

Delta is going to love that.

flywithjohn 07-08-2018 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2630071)
Which would be good for all pilots since the demise of regional flying would eventually force the majors to take this flying back and hire the pilots to staff it.

Never happening - will still be cheaper to buy a WO regional and staff that. It’s not just pilot group that costs a lot. Regional airline difference from mainline? Same job, one third the cost all around and when it’s time - shut it down open a new one.

Excargodog 07-08-2018 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 2630125)
Delta is going to love that.

And yet for regional pilots as a group it would be a great thing. A year ago, when Horizon was cutting back flying by 30% because of p/$$-poor management causing them to be short of pilots, the ability of Alaska to shift that flying to Skywest kept Alaska from having to either fix their Horizon management problems or bring the scope back to mainline.

Most of us believe that the system exploits all regional pilots who basically do the same job as the mainline pilots at a third (or less) of the salary. As one of the biggest and lowest paying of the regionals, those pilots working at Skywest tend to hold down pay and benefits for all of us by being willing to do that work for less. But it's more than that. The biggies (OK, Alaska is a relative biggie) can keep their own wholly owned pilots under contro just like Alaska did, by shifting their workload to Skywest to keep Horizon under control.

The whole regional codeshare system is a house of cards, but it is propped up by the ability of the mainline to play one regional against the other.

trip 07-08-2018 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2630061)
We have heard it all.. SkyWest is still ran like a 550 count pilot group airline. That should sum it up.. I think there is a glimmer of hope ahead of us.l, with regards to QOL. Will see. But im hearing. No picking up extra block hours from our partners to gelp out the competition that can’t suport themselves..

They can pick up all the block hours they want to handle, they just need to share the added wealth with appropriate additional compensation agreed to by the employees whom will make it happen. Not force it on the employee with increased bid awards and denied schedule adjustments. I guess they still don’t get it, sigh... RJ is not representative of the vast majority of the pilot group.

moflyer 07-11-2018 07:14 AM

I had to pay for my hotel room when I interviewed at a major airline. During training they paid for a nice hotel in Dallas, we also got full guarantee. As long as people are coming through the door SkyWest will not change how they do things.

amcnd 07-11-2018 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 2630187)
They can pick up all the block hours they want to handle, they just need to share the added wealth with appropriate additional compensation agreed to by the employees whom will make it happen. Not force it on the employee with increased bid awards and denied schedule adjustments. I guess they still don’t get it, sigh... RJ is not representative of the vast majority of the pilot group.

Time for RJ to go.. if we could magically staff 500 more CRJ pilots right now on the list. All out problems would go away.. (as long as they don’t take on more block hours)

TimetoClimb 07-11-2018 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2632336)
Time for RJ to go.. if we could magically staff 500 more CRJ pilots right now on the list. All out problems would go away.. (as long as they don’t take on more block hours)

Looks like from the august RSR the erj fo reserve percentages dropped below that of crj fo . This may not mean erj has dipped into crj staffing levels (FO side) or it may ?

N1234 07-11-2018 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2632336)
Time for RJ to go.. if we could magically staff 500 more CRJ pilots right now on the list. All out problems would go away.. (as long as they don’t take on more block hours)

The company thinks that all is fine ... they don't see any issues.

WesternSkies 07-11-2018 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by TimetoClimb (Post 2632385)
Looks like from the august RSR the erj fo reserve percentages dropped below that of crj fo . This may not mean erj has dipped into crj staffing levels (FO side) or it may ?

Funny. You know I haven’t heard people complaining on APC of not flying for a while now. Kinda makes the people who picked the CRJ in the last 6 months to “get hours” suckers.

I think there was a message “from the top” rope hinting that they don’t plan on picking up as much coverage flying this winter as last.

Melit 07-12-2018 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by yeeeyeee (Post 2629850)
Who else has to pay for their own hotel while interviewing with Skywest? Every other regional has paid for it. Why is Skywest seriously trying to be cheap ***holes.

Kinda misleading isn't it? They don't "make" you pay for a hotel. It's your choice to interview with them. It's on you to decide if you need a room or not. Then to call them cheap ***holes they probably don't want a millennial like you anyway...:)

Hou757 07-12-2018 06:23 AM

Skywest still has you guys sharing a room during training? Seriously?

N1CEandEZ 07-12-2018 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2633105)
Skywest still has you guys sharing a room during training? Seriously?

No, they put us in suite configurations. I had my own room and bathroom and shared a kitchen and living room with a classmate.

saxman66 07-12-2018 08:40 AM

I don't we'll get any QOL improvements or raises until we have a meltdown and flights cancel, aka Horizon and Republic a year or two ago. Thus far they've been able to keep the operation going with minimal cancellations. But, it's come at the expense of us all working our butts off with little breaks. When I first upgraded, I was so burnt out from working 6 day trips with only two days off in between. I just called in fatigued that last day and went home a couple times. Key is to make sure you are fit to fly.

SGS233 07-12-2018 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by N1CEandEZ (Post 2633184)
No, they put us in suite configurations. I had my own room and bathroom and shared a kitchen and living room with a classmate.

Was this for E175 or CRJ training, please?

SW was on my short list. My biggest issue was having a roommate during training. (I'm more than happy to work with someone 14+ hours a day. Sleep in the same room with them... not so much.)

I reached out to a recruiter to confirm the accommodation situation. This was the reply I received on 28 June.

--- ---
Yes, we have double occupancy. But if you want single, you can pay half of the costs for that.

For the room setting, it depends on which hotel. But you will need to share bathroom for sure.

I am not sure, it depends on the roommates. I cannot predict if your future roommate is going to be nice or annoying.

If you do not feel comfortable to share room and bathroom, please choose the single room.

Thank you,

--- ---

Bravix 07-12-2018 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by SGS233 (Post 2633256)
Was this for E175 or CRJ training, please?

SW was on my short list. My biggest issue was having a roommate during training. (I'm more than happy to work with someone 14+ hours a day. Sleep in the same room with them... not so much.)

I reached out to a recruiter to confirm the accommodation situation. This was the reply I received on 28 June.

--- ---
Yes, we have double occupancy. But if you want single, you can pay half of the costs for that.

For the room setting, it depends on which hotel. But you will need to share bathroom for sure.

I am not sure, it depends on the roommates. I cannot predict if your future roommate is going to be nice or annoying.

If you do not feel comfortable to share room and bathroom, please choose the single room.

Thank you,

--- ---

Don't know how that could be possible if its SLC and they're still using either of the two hotels they've been using. Candlewood is most common and it has 1 bedroom and a living room with kitchen. One person gets a bedroom with door, the other gets the living room (with bed) in full sight of the kitchen and bathroom. Better hope your roommate doesn't get up a lot during the night!

Denver hotel I was briefly at had a shared bedroom with a separate living room.

ninerdriver 07-12-2018 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by N1CEandEZ (Post 2633184)
No, they put us in suite configurations. I had my own room and bathroom and shared a kitchen and living room with a classmate.

For the record, that's considered sharing a room at most airlines.

Hou757 07-12-2018 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2633348)
For the record, that's considered sharing a room at most airlines.


Agree! That is sharing a room.

TroutBum 07-12-2018 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2633348)
For the record, that's considered sharing a room at most airlines.

Just curious. What kind of single accommodations do they normally have at other airlines? A standard hotel room or an extended stay place with kitchenette, fridge, etc?

flydiamond 07-12-2018 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by TroutBum (Post 2633363)
Just curious. What kind of single accommodations do they normally have at other airlines? A standard hotel room or an extended stay place with kitchenette, fridge, etc?

At Endeavor i stayed at the Crowne Plaza for 2 nights of Indoc (standard hotel room), 1 bedroom single occupancy Residence Inn for three weeks for systems (bedroom was separate from full kitchen), then a studio at Marriott Towne Place Suites for a month for sims (full kitchen). It’s in the contract that long term training requires an extended stay type place here (kitchen). Everything was single occupancy of course, and it blows my mind Skywest is still doing double occupancy. Lots of guys were able to have their families come visit and stay in their rooms (they all had a pull out sofa) during the weekends... a much better option than going home.

TroutBum 07-12-2018 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by flydiamond (Post 2633377)
At Endeavor i stayed at the Crowne Plaza for 2 nights of Indoc (standard hotel room), 1 bedroom single occupancy Residence Inn for three weeks for systems (bedroom was separate from full kitchen), then a studio at Marriott Towne Place Suites for a month for sims (full kitchen). It’s in the contract that long term training requires an extended stay type place here (kitchen). Everything was single occupancy of course, and it blows my mind Skywest is still doing single occupancy. Lots of guys were able to have their families come visit and stay in their rooms (they all had a pull out sofa) during the weekends... a much better option than going home.

Got it. The kitchen sounds nice. 6-8 weeks of food from hotel restaurants and the typical surrounding chain restaurants would be horrific.

Knobcrk1 07-12-2018 11:31 AM

If I remember correctly though you could request single based on some criteria. Also I think you could pay the difference if you wanted single.

DelTacoBowl 07-12-2018 11:38 AM

Not me, I SHARED a room. As in, the dudes bed was RIGHT NEXT to mine. We had a kitchenette and a common area, but we shared a bathroom and shared a sleeping space. It was like boy scout camp or something. They preached professionalism (and anti-union(ism)) all day in indoc and then sent us to our boy scout summer camp rooms to sleep at night. Cheap cheesy, and COMPLETELY indicative of how this company operates.


Originally Posted by Knobcrk1 (Post 2633421)
That's called sharing a room.


Hou757 07-12-2018 02:52 PM

Yep, your website states double occupancy. That sucks for new hires!!

WesternSkies 07-12-2018 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2633593)
Yep, your website states double occupancy. That sucks for new hires!!

Yes it does, though better than being on the expressjet seniority list. Can you confirm?

amcnd 07-12-2018 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2633593)
Yep, your website states double occupancy. That sucks for new hires!!

I know the training ladies have stated that its also quantity of rooms available issues.. we have more volume of training then say a 600 pilot list regional.. Yet they still treat us like were that size..

Hou757 07-12-2018 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2633601)
Yes it does, though better than being on the expressjet seniority list. Can you confirm?


I can confirm that most Expressjet folks would rather be on the XJT seniority list than SkyWest. (exception to those that live out West)

moflyer 07-12-2018 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2633651)
I know the training ladies have stated that its also quantity of rooms available issues.. we have more volume of training then say a 600 pilot list regional.. Yet they still treat us like were that size..


Southwest hired almost 1,000 pilots last year, everyone got a their own room. With training split between SLC and DEN, SkyWest is just being cheap. I’m amazed they still do this from a liability standpoint.

Check Complete 07-12-2018 07:12 PM

Just keep in mind that there’s not always extra rooms available even if you want to pay for it. You may just be rooming with someone you don’t know without a choice.

Keeping it professional!

Utah 07-12-2018 10:55 PM

There's a reason they do this and it's not just money. They want to know that you're willing to be treated like crap.

mking84 07-13-2018 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2630157)
And yet for regional pilots as a group it would be a great thing. A year ago, when Horizon was cutting back flying by 30% because of p/$$-poor management causing them to be short of pilots, the ability of Alaska to shift that flying to Skywest kept Alaska from having to either fix their Horizon management problems or bring the scope back to mainline.

Most of us believe that the system exploits all regional pilots who basically do the same job as the mainline pilots at a third (or less) of the salary. As one of the biggest and lowest paying of the regionals, those pilots working at Skywest tend to hold down pay and benefits for all of us by being willing to do that work for less. But it's more than that. The biggies (OK, Alaska is a relative biggie) can keep their own wholly owned pilots under contro just like Alaska did, by shifting their workload to Skywest to keep Horizon under control.

The whole regional codeshare system is a house of cards, but it is propped up by the ability of the mainline to play one regional against the other.

Ah yes. What a good think SkyWest was there for Alaska to prevent flying from being done by seniority list pilots.

Do you even understand or know what a codeshare is?

dera 07-13-2018 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by Knobcrk1 (Post 2633421)
Also I think you could pay the difference if you wanted single.

Yeah, with the $37/hr first year FO pay. :D

WesternSkies 07-13-2018 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by moflyer (Post 2633679)
I’m amazed they still do this from a liability standpoint.


We could have much more efficient trips if we could swap into all variants by splitting with the FAs too.
Also a liability

Check Complete 07-13-2018 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by Utah (Post 2633841)
There's a reason they do this and it's not just money. They want to know that you're willing to be treated like crap.


^^^^^^
A lot of truth to that statement!!!!!


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