Reasons like this are why other pilot groups are advancing unlike OO.

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Oh ffs, why even get out of bed in the morning if you’re that afraid of something bad happening? Sure Comair was the highest paid regional for a while. But it’s demise was much more complicated than that. Additionally, this career looked a whole lot differently back then. This is a great time to be an entry level pilot. If a base works for you that allows you to stay home with family and not commute, well that’s worth something. And I’m not sure I could even put a price on that because each individual would value it differently

What other profession takes selfies while at work and posts it all over facebook? Look at me in my uniform, I'm in a cockpit! LOL

My example of Comair wasn’t meant to say I was afraid that SkyWest would go out of business if we got higher pay, it was only meant to show that one single regional doesn’t always stay the highest pay forever. The same can even be said for mainline

Absolutely correct. Take a look at the substantial gains made by nearly every other pilot group. Then take a look at Skywest. I rest my case.

Why do you think those other companies did it? Because they’re nice and good people? They did it because they had to in order to keep pilots coming through the door. SkyWest for whatever reason is still getting people in the door. It willl happen with time, people will eventually stop coming and SkyWest will have to improve pay and QOL. In fact, I think you’re helping us all out by trying to dissuade pilots from coming here. I know I haven’t really recommended anyone come here in the past year or so.

The 9e pilots here are scared their neck is stuck too far ahead of the industry unless OO matches. These posts are openly fear driven in their chastiment and falsehoods.

Even APLA doesn’t publish OO in the low end of regional compensation.

How many TA have you voted NO!

SkyWest is using their forgone reputation as the place to be. Today we take everyone, there is no person that will not be in the next class if they have the minimums. So forget the premise that SkyWest has this higher caliber for what newhire gets on board. From what I have been told, we took on someone that couldn't make at Mesa. People are getting suspended and terminated for stuff that would normally be fixed. I think management is getting nervous and mean about the possible union drive. Now is not the time to be here.

WHAT??? You’re posts are so full of bs. Funny you would spin it like that. Well I suppose there’s a slim chance that you have a psychology degree and you’ve personally talked with all us scared posters?

WOW. You kill me. If management is getting nervous over a union drive, do you think they would be suspending and terminating people left and right??

I have seen plenty of friends and other take selfies of themselves at work or work related situations. Very common.

At some point the have to terminate people....

They are hiring virtually anybody, so some of those will have training problems, and others will have behavior problems once on line. I admittedly flew with some folks who didn't belong there.

Also their scheduling practices are creating reliability problems, so they probably believe that for every pilot they fire for poor reliability (ie working less than 98 hours/month), they can intimidate several hundred other pilots to not call out. Do they keep the airline running today or worry about a union years down the road?

Not a situation unique to Skywest. No regional today is getting the quantity of really good applicants they once did. You are seeing that across the board. But when you combine that with industry lagging pay, you tend to make the difficult situation even worse.

So of course you are going to have to increase eliminations. Every regional out there is one Colgan 3407 incident away from becoming extinct:

https://youtu.be/33NUAy3eomg

Flying with inadequate people is far more dangerous to the continued survival of a regional than just cancelling flights.

SkyWest let me go last year because of a few sick calls and one missed commute while on probation. Not saying I didn’t deserve some sort of punishment but them telling me bye bye seemed rather stupid. I held many jobs previous to that, never been close to getting fired. I had zero issues getting through training and always made my commute prior to the day of my first offense. Not once did I meet any of my base chiefs for anything prior to being called into the office and told to hand over my badge and surface.

Point is I don’t think everyone who gets let go deserves to be let go so don’t paint with too broad of brush, but I could be biased.

Who needs management to abuse pilots when you have enablers like the k00l-aid drinkers? You guys should be demanding regional industry leading!!

Not sure what a "few" means, but 2-3 is way different than 5-6, especially in a period than one year.

Normally progressive discipline is the rule (ie discussions, verbal warnings, written warnings, etc) but airlines in general are notorious for low tolerance on probation.

Entirely possible they just decided to make some examples and you were at the wrong time and place. In the past, especially recently as QOL tanked, many folks were calling in a LOT, like monthly.

I’ll elaborate for you then. 3 sick calls to be exact, 3 calls in 8 months. TG did just want heads to roll, such a stand up character that guy is, an excellent leader and manager as well.... ha

Anyway enough my sob story it’s been shared before. It’s just another example of how the biggest best company really doesn’t care about the guys/gals in the front of their planes. You can defend the company all you want, but if they thought more of you they would offer you way better deals than the last two and not require new hires to share rooms, excuse me share “suites”..

Well that was dumb, while you were protesting, we were building time and at majors now.

Yeah! I can't believe someone would be so foolish as to find something that paid more money and allowed them to build wealth instead of subsidizing their need to fly shiny jets. How foolish of them since we know everybody got to a major that was hired in those days.

I'm not defending anything, just saying there is a line to not cross in this industry. The line moves sometimes, and being on probation doesn't help.

When I started in the industry, I would have been very scared to call in sick more than maybe twice on probation. Things have changed for the better, but it does sound like you pushed the grey area just a bit, and unfortunately they needed to make an example that month.

But I don't give a crap about new hire hotel arrangements, you can get your own room or get a job somewhere else if you like.

My room mate was cool, otherwise I would have got my own room in a heartbeat. I played the game on probation, and am long gone from SKW. I would never have gotten my current job if I got fired from a regional for reliability.

Whatever you say Rickair, good for you for moving on. Best of luck in your career, Sir

You know, that's just plain scary. I mean, I know that as a group regional pilots are young and healthy, but damn.., if any of you have kids in preschool or kindergarten, they bring home all sorts of crud. And how hard is it to break an ankle - just jogging on uneven ground even.


I think it is perfectly acceptable for the airlines to do what the military did, have you bring a clearance form (1042 in the USAF) anytime you see the flight doc with his/her opinion of whether you ought to be flying or not, but so damn much of getting sick is absolutely not within the span of control of the person getting sick that a policy like you described seems like simply punishing someone (and throwing away the effort made to train them) for nothing more than statistically bad luck.



You might as well have a hundred pilots flip a coin five times and fire everyone that gets heads all five times. That will give you about three percent sacrificial goats.

That was a long time ago. It was understood that not everybody would finish probation, and there was some luck involved. The idea was to try to make some of your own luck. Things are a lot kinder and gentler today.

Glad that things have changed for the better.

That is a glaring safety issue when a pilot fears to call out sick or fatigued because the company could fire them while they are on probation. It took a series of noteworthy accidents and incidents like Shuttle America Flight 6448 for the FAA to press the airlines to take pilots seriously who call out sick or fatigued.