Of all the mountains SAPA could have chosen to die on, it surprises me they picked this one.

If they’re represented by ALPA I believe that will cause a problem. ALPA national would definitely take UAs side.

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ALPA national has absolutely no way of doing anything about this. This issue is between MECs at each airline and their respective managements.

IMO as much as SkyWest management hates unions I can't see them bowing down to UAL ALPA over this jump seat BS.

It would show the rank and file that unions do have a presence and can make a difference.

It will be interesting how this plays out?

If that’s the case, then this may work. We were told that ALPA UAX carriers would probably not be able to participate. I suspect if all UAX carriers held the line on this, then it would get fixed.

Even if that's the case, it wouldn't be a legal issue really. Legality has to do with laws, not union policies. I don't see why one MEC couldn't take action against another MEC which is trying to change an agreement without an agreement of terms. Union might not like it, I suppose they might have the power to threaten to drop that MEC from ALPA, though they wouldn't ($$$).

But I could be mistaken, which is why I asked, in case I was missing something.

No MEC has power over any other MEC, let alone the power to drop an MEC from ALPA. That’s not the way ALPA is set up. Each individual pilot group is independent of the other and from national.

Jumpseat agreements are by mutual and reciprocal agreement. If an agreement cannot be made, and therefore cancelled, there is no ability to Jumpseat on that carrier. And the only thing that can be done is to cancel any reciprocal agreement. That’s not ideal for anyone, including management.

FYI guys. United ex SkyWester here. You have a few people over in the UAL section tossing bombs. These randos are being quoted all over the interwebs and the anger level on the UAL side is approaching critical mass. I’d recommend telling them to relax and let SAPA do the talking until the time comes to distribute a letter.

I’d also like to remind everyone the last SAPA rep to not have a medical M.E. Sold out OO pilots and R.J. May not have one, I’m not positive he can get another job paying what he gets at OO. That’s bad juju.

I would also not trust anything the “pilots pilot” VP says about backing up SAPA reps and line pilots in this fight. Without making a statement on the merits of this argument, I could see TT changing the FOM without SAPA concurance. Because he can. And he doesn’t give a sh!t about any SkyWest pilot except himself.

Best wishes to everyone. I’m sure this will get ironed out. But if push comes to shove, I would be careful. TT wants lower attrition and UAL blacklisting OO guys would be good for him. Then he’ll sell you out and give UAL whatever they want.

TT? :confused:

So a few of our guys are running their mouth, but there is over 80 pages of UAL pilots chest thumping and putting down all regional pilots. Pretty nauseating to read. It’s definitely made me think about how little y’all think of us.

It will be ironed out, but that thread is ridiculous. To be honest though if that is what gets your pilot group to a critical mass anger level, that is pretty immature and pathetic. Right now I don’t know one pilot who has even talked about denying the jumpseat or even cares about this thing. Right now this pilot group has a lot more to focus on, voting in ALPA and getting a better contract.

Many of us used to be regional pilots. So you can stop with the putting down all regional pilots bit. It is unfortunate that some are incapable of debating without name calling. Do that and then get caught lying about supposedly being hired by Delta. Well, it makes for a rather ugly thread. You are correct, it will be ironed out.

Your post refuted none of what he said, which was an excellent point. btw, you are one of the worst offenders on that board. Now you are over here trolling the Skywest boards. A mainline pilot acting like a 2-year old. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Aw geeez. You mean I’m kicked off your board too after just one post? I found your cartoon posts on the other thread so inspiring I was hoping to share some here. Good luck to you.

At least us Regional guys have some excuse for reading over the Major boards. Kind of like CFIs reading the Regional boards. You being back down here at the Regional boards to tell all of us minions that "we are correct, this will be ironed out" i.e. the way you guys want it to be, is just plain pathetic. Go wave your imaginary big #@$ somewhere else, nobody is impressed nor intimidated here. This isn't the 1990s anymore, you do not walk on water. We realize you do the exact same job we do, you just fly less United passengers per month then a Skywest pilot at a United base.

You’re right. There is a lot of anger. Because of Arics letter that got out. What I am here to do is tell you that the people over on the United forum are screwing evsryone who wants a United job, bigly. There is a lot of tension over this and regardless of who “wins” (it will be UAL 1000%) you guys will be the ones most harmed. I guarantee it. You are being led astray by SAPA and it will harm people’s careers. So maybe do some self policing and tell these guys to cool it. Or don’t, doesn’t affect me.

That thread is a giant dumpster fire with children on both sides of the issue. Give me a break.

People are mad because we are pilots and it’s inherent in our culture and this happens to be the flavor of the month. No jumpseat war has been started. Let’s look at two examples. Your forum thread is literally called “jumpseat war” and all it is bashing others when there has been no attempt by either party to actually continue with a jumpseat war. The title in this thread is what it actually is which is a jumpseat disagreement.

Also this will not blemish those of us in any way in regards to being hired at UAL, that’s an empty threat. I know of numerous people this month who have moved on to UAL from OO.

Each CA will choose to either follow this change or blatantly ignore it.

What you are describing will get you blacklisted from United. That’s why I’m over here. You guys seem to think just because both sides are mad that the results will pan out the same. Denying a pilot because you feel like it will get the jumpseat agreement nullified completely.

What I am here to earn you about is that anyone who wants to come to United should be 100% telling SAPA AND their own pilots to shut up immediately. It doesn’t matter what the United guys on the forum are saying. Ignore it and tell people who are going over there to stop. There is no possible benefit to purposely upset those guys. There is tremendous downside.

They are upset because it favors them greatly but no one is bowing down and giving it to them on a silver platter when this is a change to the agreement that favors only one side.

We already are in the process of getting rid of SAPA, so give us some time.

Thanks for the warning though about us possibly losing our opportunity to be at UAL one day. That would be a terrible outcome over something so petty; however I’ll have to give the UAL hiring team the benefit of the doubt and hope they know what good people they have working at express jet, TSA, republic, gojet, Mesa, and OO who have made it their goal to get on there.

Peepz, Keepinitreal and check complete don't know when to shut up ever, in any thread....

Hmm check out my post history. Man your game is weak.

Elll ohhhh elll...

Want to take your own advice?

<3 peace be with all. :D

No. Thats bad advice. It's a good read in the United forums. WOW..

Touché

Filler

Hmmm. Hello Pot.

Did anybody ever figure out if Melanyit is really a pilot somewhere or just a disgruntled troll that didn’t make her HS cheerleading squad?

Weight limitations are sad but necessary......

You do realize that last time United tried to unilaterally change the jumpseat agreement they lost right? Funny how United pilots are up in arms over this when the other UAX carriers are only protecting the agreement that is already in place. For the most part, this is a union to union issue between the carriers. And you good Union stewards are asking us UAX plebs to go against our own union agreements, else we get blacklisted for it? The level of hypocrisy is sickening and quite a sad reflection of the lack of of respect you have for your colleagues or their unions.

First off. Unless something has changed since I left, SkyWest has no union. I have a deep lack of respect for SAPA after seeing the inner workings as a rep. I can tell you, unequivocally (which I did in my first post on this thread, which you may wish to read) that you are being led down a very dark road.

Secondly, Peepz (who I was responding to) changed his post. He said, even if the agreement changes, he will be using his own personal criteria to deny UAL jumpseaters. I would say that is a bad idea. I am NOT saying in ANY WAY that you go against your own (your words not mine) "union" but that this can turn ugly. You don't want to be the guy that dicks everything up just because you felt like being a one man army.


Look, I came here to warn you guys that this will get very ugly if you allow it. One way is to antagonize the United pilots on the United forum.

Don't like what is happening, talk to your reps. But I GUARANTEE, as someone who has worked at BOTH companies and worked in the (real) Union at UAL and the (fake) one at SkyWest; You will not win any sort of battle with United, today. TG does not have your back. Chip has it even less. He will change the FOM priority 1 minute after talking to SAPA and RJ will have nothing to say about it, because he can't even fly the line.


Anyway, I've wasted enough time here. If you want to go **** off these guys, BEFORE you even have a letter, do it. Poison your own well. It's your future, not mine.

I recommend remaining tactful and not going around ****ing people off for ****s and giggles.

If you decide to start randomly, of your own accord, denying jumpseats, you will severely limit your career. I see you deleted your previous post about it. Don't do it, let the people who's job it is to figure this out do their jobs. That's all I'm saying. That and don't troll the old guys in the United forum, that doesn't help your case.

Check my post hero... I haven’t even gone into the other forum trolling, because all it is non stop banter.

First come, first serve jumpseat like it has always been. I am not worried about my job prospects or my co-workers job prospects at UAL, it’s totally out of my hands who UAL decides to hire. I highly doubt UAL will blacklist all OO pilots or any carriers that are just trying to do their job to get to work.

Also it’s not randomly denying jumpseats if I’m following my FOM and agreement that has been the agreement in place before one company decides its time to change the whole priority. It’s pretty simple if a UAL guy checks in first they get the seat, if a express guy checks in first they get the seat.

Yeah, unless you unilaterally go over the top and get into it in person with someone with connections at UAL, you won't get blacklisted. No airline "blacklists" candidates because a single line pilot has a personal axe to grind. Stay professional, if it comes right down to it, apologize profusely, hand them a copy of whatever statement UAX come's up with, and go about your business.

But professional in this case means you do need to have an apologetic face-to-face discussion with someone you deny. If they get denied by the gate, they won't even know why.

They’ll bow down as soon as pilots can’t get to work because they are being kicked off Jumpseats. Operational intergrity speaks

I agree. Peepz changed his original post where he said he would implement his own system after a FOM
Change which is why I brought up the whole thing. I wish everyone the best and am sure cooler heads will prevail.

They haven’t changed or nor will they change our FOM.

Read the posts “First come, first serve jumpseat like it has always been. I am not worried about my job prospects or my co-workers job prospects at UAL, it’s totally out of my hands who UAL decides to hire. I highly doubt UAL will blacklist all OO pilots or any carriers that are just trying to do their job to get to work. ”

Anyone else locked out of the original Jumpseat war thread in the United forum?

Pretty sure that dumpster fire was deleted.

Nice work guys and gals. We just got a union email from the Republic jumpseat committee saying the priority has been fixed. Thanks for taking a stand with us!

Great job on the jumpseat committee and to Skywest and Republic for coming together! I would advise from gloating too much. No need to rub salt on the wound here. All that happened was an agreement to keep the current agreement in-place instead of a unilateral land grab from UAL. Reciprocal agreements are two ways not one.

Simply maintaining the status quo. We give the teamsters a lot of crap, but it sounds like the teamster airline division really went to bat on this issue. I’m sure this isn’t the end of this issue, but prevents unilateral changes.