JS Disagreement
 

So UAL is pretty tilted at what’s going on between our JS committe and UAL.

Reading some of the posts over on the greener pastures forum (UAL forum) it looks like these guys/gals are fuming.

It wouldn’t turn out well for us, in the sense we would have a lot more to lose as OO would never positive space us like mainline would for their people. Also the optics look terrible since we aren’t unionized and are supposed to stand in solidarity with other unionized carriers.

What y’all think, cooler heads will prevail right?

Depends on the United MEC.

Hope they figure it out. It’s pretty embarrassing the way the student council is handling this. For example sending out threatening letters escalating the situation instead of trying to diffuse it.

Dunno I see it as proactive.
The united computer system is going live in the next few months.
Preventing a computer system or altering the code seems easier than getting United to spend money on it after it has been implemented.
I’d rather this situation not be reactionary because it would go full nuclear quickly. All imo.

The only person calling for a JS war is and was *** Who’s the hot head here?

Your own thread in your forum is called jumpseat war? Smh

Also I don’t think it’s fair that someone from here took a picture on our forum giving out the guys name. That’s lame and unfair.

Also if you look at my post I used the word tilted, not hothead...

SMH.
Yea because *he* PLAINLY stated that at the end of his initial OFFICIAL communication. Jumping straight to level 10 rage is probably why he still works at Skywest.

I have clearly stated that I’m embarrassed by it. You are honestly preaching to the choir with me. The situation was escalated by the letter for sure.

Let's be honest, UALPA trying to dictate jumpseat priority on our metal is nearly just as bad. Don't get me wrong, denying jumpseats is a childish way to handle anything. His tact was definitely not well though out. Hopefully cooler heads prevail on both sides.

Update just came out. Said expect something jointly from all UAX operators... will see..

Pretty appalling how many mainline guys over in the United version of this thread don't seem to care that they are violating a jumpseat agreement and make SkyWest out to be the bad guys for trying to get them to honor what they've agreed to.

Equally appalling, if not more so, Skywest’s pilot leadership putting out communications threading institutionalused withholding of cockpit Jumpseats for a subset of pilots.

There ways to address this successfully, and this ain’t it.

Last time United tried a stunt like this (yes, that's correct, this isn't the first time), all efforts were exhausted, proper channels pursued, etc and nothing became of those, so the jumpseats were denied. The problem got fixed. Can you really blame SkyWest's pilot leadership for telling everyone that if it doesn't get fixed, they'll resort to using a method that they know works?

They put out a statement saying don’t use the Jumpseat as a war tool. No-one is using the Jumpseat that way!! All just APC talk...

I don't blame them one bit (lived through the last one).

But they should be sure and exhaust ALL normal efforts through channels before threatening the J Bomb in public... even a hint of that stirs up hate and discontent, which could impact attitudes towards hiring of SKW peeps in some circles. Already the topic du jour over at mainline...

Too late, someone already leaked AA's letter with the J bomb in it, which is why it's already become a ****storm.

Can you post that?

Someone sharing internal memos is what started this whole mess.

nothing internal about a threat to deny JS.

Russ and Aric are gonna bring a world of hurt down on Skywest

With any luck one of them will be gone soon. Stuck with the other for a while though. For the record it wasn't much of a threat. Definitely a poorly thought-out memo that has since been "modified".

AA does his job very well.
The end of the reciprocal is the obviously out come for violators.
Words need to be said and understood.

He does that part of his job well. EB member and regular representative, not so much.

From the UA page:

I think I really stepped in it this time

Um, it was a letter on a company website. I would call that internal. Once the wagons are circled, there will be another letter that is public signed by all the respective carriers saying basically the same thing. At least that's how it went down last time UAL tried to dictate other carriers jumpseat policies. Arik is absolutely doing the right thing here. I don't mind at all being kept abreast of what's happening in regards to the Jumpseat. If you think he put that out as the first step, you are nuts. Last time this happened the UAL jumpseat coordinator wasn't even a commuter. This will all blow over, and the people who commute will get it straightened out. The banty roosters of APC will find something else to squawk about. You and Peepz have nothing to fear. Mainline will still come begging to hire you.

I would call that cowardly

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I think they're entitled to have an internal discussion. That should have stayed internal, rather than being released to the wild where every triggered tool at mainline can make a mountain out of molehill that doesn't exist yet. You for example created an APC account for the sole purpose of wading in on something that's not even your problem (yet). Leave them alone until your MEC gets a letter.

we have a board

The biggest board, the best, the most executive. No one has a better non-union board than us, believe me. It's absolutely tremendous.

How do you tell the difference between a regional pilot, such as OO or YX, who flies for UAX versus American Eagle or Delta Connection? Is there any difference in their uniform?

Uniform, wings. OO has golden epaulettes, RAH silver. Regardless of what partner they fly for


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So do they wear AA/DL/UA wings and uniform or an OO or RAH uniform?

Wings don’t change although I could’ve bought DL wings in the MSP crew store and worn them, but I’d look like even more of a douche.

SkyWest wings say “SkyWest” on them and Republic wings say “Republic”

That should help narrow it down!

They wear the same OO/YX uniform for every carrier.

Thanks, it does narrow it down!

Thanks for the clarification!

Teamsters at Republic just release very similar letter. Sounds like flight ops management is in full support of the effort. I don’t believe the ALPA UAX carriers will be allowed to legally participate though.

Unity .

"Legally"? Honest question, which law would prevent them from denying jumpseats?