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Sunvox 09-28-2018 01:25 PM

I don't use the jumpseat as I live in base, but I am a United pilot, and I agree changing the agreement seems wrong BUT I read on the private UAL forum that people on APC were posting the situation had been resolved in favor of the regionals. I'm the curious type so I just emailed our Jumpseat Rep and he says as of Friday the 28th at 5PM that such was not the case, and the changes were still moving forward, and whatever people on APC think they heard it's simply not true. Like I said - I got no dog in this fight, but just thought I'd share the intel.

TheWeatherman 09-28-2018 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 2682541)
I don't use the jumpseat as I live in base, but I am a United pilot, and I agree changing the agreement seems wrong BUT I read on the private UAL forum that people on APC were posting the situation had been resolved in favor of the regionals. I'm the curious type so I just emailed our Jumpseat Rep and he says as of Friday the 28th at 5PM that such was not the case, and the changes were still moving forward, and whatever people on APC think they heard it's simply not true. Like I said - I got no dog in this fight, but just thought I'd share the intel.

Have your jumpseat rep check in with the jumpseat committee. Also, they are wrong on the UAL forums as nothing was ruled in favor of the Regionals. The existing agreement was kept in place.

Viking6 09-28-2018 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 2682541)
I don't use the jumpseat as I live in base, but I am a United pilot, and I agree changing the agreement seems wrong BUT I read on the private UAL forum that people on APC were posting the situation had been resolved in favor of the regionals. I'm the curious type so I just emailed our Jumpseat Rep and he says as of Friday the 28th at 5PM that such was not the case, and the changes were still moving forward, and whatever people on APC think they heard it's simply not true. Like I said - I got no dog in this fight, but just thought I'd share the intel.

A very official memo was sent out to Republic pilots from the union. Pretty much saying the status quo will continue.

Levigarrett 09-29-2018 04:20 PM

Why can’t we keep this fight going until Jan? I’d really like a Jumpseat denial the third week of December. We can play nice in the new year...

word302 09-29-2018 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by Levigarrett (Post 2683151)
Why can’t we keep this fight going until Jan? I’d really like a Jumpseat denial the third week of December. We can play nice in the new year...

That seems professional.

Taco280AI 10-01-2018 04:08 PM

Off topic, but JS related

Have to thank the SkyWest captain who held the plane for me for about 15 minutes because the gate agent couldn't properly list me. Their issue or the system, don't know. But I do know the captain was up there as well making sure I got home, holding the flight, on their go home leg, late in the evening. Could have easily said sorry, we have to go, but he didn't. Way to take care of another pilot.

Thank you!

TheFly 10-10-2018 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by Taco280AI (Post 2684189)
Off topic, but JS related

Have to thank the SkyWest captain who held the plane for me for about 15 minutes because the gate agent couldn't properly list me. Their issue or the system, don't know. But I do know the captain was up there as well making sure I got home, holding the flight, on their go home leg, late in the evening. Could have easily said sorry, we have to go, but he didn't. Way to take care of another pilot.

Thank you!

Bravo..This is the SKW difference.

SlimIV 10-10-2018 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by Taco280AI (Post 2684189)
Off topic, but JS related

Have to thank the SkyWest captain who held the plane for me for about 15 minutes because the gate agent couldn't properly list me. Their issue or the system, don't know. But I do know the captain was up there as well making sure I got home, holding the flight, on their go home leg, late in the evening. Could have easily said sorry, we have to go, but he didn't. Way to take care of another pilot.

Thank you!


I had a similar experience a few months ago from a Spirit crew. The FO saw myself and another jumpseater attempting to board. The FO not only showed us how to list online for the flight, but he also informed the captain of our situation when the gate agent had trouble clearing us. The captain then delayed the flight and phoned the chief pilot to ensure that we were eligible to board the flight. By the way this all occurred at around 10pm. I am embarrassed that I have not thought to bring this situation to light before, as we hear so many stories of crews being mistreated while trying to jumpseat. To this crew, and every other that has gone out of the way to ensure that we get home, thank you, and I look forward to the day that I can pay it forward.

reelbigchair 10-11-2018 08:23 AM

Has official communication come from SAPA or Teamsters saying the priority going forward will remain as it has in the past? If so, would anyone be willing to post it?

TheWeatherman 10-11-2018 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by reelbigchair (Post 2689642)
Has official communication come from SAPA or Teamsters saying the priority going forward will remain as it has in the past? If so, would anyone be willing to post it?

Yes and no

reelbigchair 10-11-2018 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2689654)
Yes and no

Not trying to stir the pot, just genuinely interested in official comms instead of trying to sift through hearsay and rumor. As a United pilot and ex SkyWest pilot Im hoping for a amicable solution.

TheWeatherman 10-11-2018 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by reelbigchair (Post 2689844)
Not trying to stir the pot, just genuinely interested in official comms instead of trying to sift through hearsay and rumor. As a United pilot and ex SkyWest pilot Im hoping for a amicable solution.

There has been an amicable solution. Which really was keep everything the same. If there is to be a change, it needs to be negotiated through the Jump Seat committee to avoid something like this in the future.



I would never publicly post Union documents or communication. If my Union wants it to be public, they will issue a public release.

Check Complete 10-11-2018 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by reelbigchair (Post 2689844)
Not trying to stir the pot, just genuinely interested in official comms instead of trying to sift through hearsay and rumor. As a United pilot and ex SkyWest pilot Im hoping for a amicable solution.

Ever thought of calling your JS coordinator, because I think you are trying to stir the pot?

reelbigchair 10-11-2018 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by Check Complete (Post 2689921)
Ever thought of calling your JS coordinator, because I think you are trying to stir the pot?

I have been in contact with them. I guess youll have to take my word for my motives. I didn’t think itd be a big deal to post the new letter since people readily posted the teamsters letter about denying Jumpseaters. Posting the retraction seems reasonable. But hey, if its super secret no worries, Ill wait.

reelbigchair 10-11-2018 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by Check Complete (Post 2689921)
Ever thought of calling your JS coordinator, because I think you are trying to stir the pot?

I have been in contact with them. I guess youll have to take my word for my motives. I didn’t think itd be a big deal to post the new letter since people readily posted the teamsters letter about denying Jumpseaters. Posting the retraction seems reasonable. But hey, if its super secret no worries, Ill wait.

TheWeatherman 10-11-2018 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by reelbigchair (Post 2690040)
I have been in contact with them. I guess youll have to take my word for my motives. I didn’t think itd be a big deal to post the new letter since people readily posted the teamsters letter about denying Jumpseaters. Posting the retraction seems reasonable. But hey, if its super secret no worries, Ill wait.

k, see you later. Good chat.

domino 10-31-2018 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2689852)
There has been an amicable solution. Which really was keep everything the same.

Ha ha. We’ll see.....

savedbythevnav 10-31-2018 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by domino (Post 2700552)
Ha ha. We’ll see.....

That's what everyone in the UA thread was saying until the "we'll see" didn't happen and the thread was subsequently deleted.

We also heard "we'll see" in 2008.

So...we'll see!

TransWorld 10-31-2018 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by savedbythevnav (Post 2700606)
That's what everyone in the UA thread was saying until the "we'll see" didn't happen and the thread was subsequently deleted.

We also heard "we'll see" in 2008.

So...we'll see!

Growing up, I remember my dad said that.

Daddy, can you buy me this candy bar? We’ll see.

Dad, can you get me dog? We’ll see.

Dad, can you give my friends a party on Saturday night? We’ll see.

Dad, can you give me a car, when I turn 16? We’ll see.

Dad, can you. . .? We’ll see. But you didn’t even hear my question. We’ll see.

Bartender 10-31-2018 05:19 PM

No SkyWest pilots on my jumpseat any more. You want to be part of the profession, then join the union. Until then you can walk to work.

word302 10-31-2018 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by Bartender (Post 2700839)
No SkyWest pilots on my jumpseat any more. You want to be part of the profession, then join the union. Until then you can walk to work.

LOL. You're a tool.

jpso 10-31-2018 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Bartender (Post 2700839)
No SkyWest pilots on my jumpseat any more. You want to be part of the profession, then join the union. Until then you can walk to work.

Another RJ pilot saying SKW can't ride the JS cause there is no union. Weren't you the one complaining about unions not backing RJ pilots?

saxman66 11-02-2018 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Bartender (Post 2700839)
No SkyWest pilots on my jumpseat any more. You want to be part of the profession, then join the union. Until then you can walk to work.


Do you plan to do the same thing for every other non union carrier that’s in CASS? There are quite a few of them that your airline probably has a jumpseat agreement with. Some of the EAS carriers, like Cape Air come to mind. ALPA may have played a huge part in establishing CASS and KCM, but the intentions go far beyond just ALPA carriers. But go ahead, beat your chest and show your PIC authority.


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savedbythevnav 11-02-2018 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by Bartender (Post 2700839)
No SkyWest pilots on my jumpseat any more. You want to be part of the profession, then join the union. Until then you can walk to work.

I can see why you unintentionally became a lifer at a regional.

Melit 11-03-2018 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2700869)
LOL. You're a tool.

Actually you are a tool. Just an fo that thinks everyone owes you something. Millennials are so cute..

Floyd 12-07-2018 10:17 AM

Word from a United LEC meeting that the Express Jumpseat priority of 1) own pilots 2) UAL pilots 3) other UAX 4) other airline will be implemented soon.

TheWeatherman 12-07-2018 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 2720741)
Word from a United LEC meeting that the Express Jumpseat priority of 1) own pilots 2) UAL pilots 3) other UAX 4) other airline will be implemented soon.

Then we will be right back to where we were a few months ago. Do they think anything is going to change?

trip 12-07-2018 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2720767)
Then we will be right back to where we were a few months ago. Do they think anything is going to change?

Ignore him, he's a man child, gets off by rattling the EX cage, probably has an I love myself wall in his home.

Floyd 12-07-2018 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 2721025)
Ignore him, he's a man child, gets off by rattling the EX cage, probably has an I love myself wall in his home.

Do what you wish with the info. Makes no difference to me. Btw, it's not a wall. It's a wing. ;)

Check Complete 12-07-2018 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 2721052)
Do what you wish with the info. Makes no difference to me. Btw, it's not a wall. It's a wing. ;)

You mean like the sanitary napkin with wings?

Silver02ex 12-07-2018 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by Bartender (Post 2700839)
No SkyWest pilots on my jumpseat any more. You want to be part of the profession, then join the union. Until then you can walk to work.


Originally Posted by Bartender (Post 2604266)
I’m on the XJT side

We've been hiring many XJT pilot this year, and I hope you're not one of them. It's ok, the Skywest pilots are more than welcome on the yellow bus even if you don't take them :rolleyes:


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