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09-20-2018 | 02:45 AM
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FYI guys. United ex SkyWester here. You have a few people over in the UAL section tossing bombs. These randos are being quoted all over the interwebs and the anger level on the UAL side is approaching critical mass. I’d recommend telling them to relax and let SAPA do the talking until the time comes to distribute a letter.
I’d also like to remind everyone the last SAPA rep to not have a medical M.E. Sold out OO pilots and R.J. May not have one, I’m not positive he can get another job paying what he gets at OO. That’s bad juju.
I would also not trust anything the “pilots pilot” VP says about backing up SAPA reps and line pilots in this fight. Without making a statement on the merits of this argument, I could see TT changing the FOM without SAPA concurance. Because he can. And he doesn’t give a sh!t about any SkyWest pilot except himself.
Best wishes to everyone. I’m sure this will get ironed out. But if push comes to shove, I would be careful. TT wants lower attrition and UAL blacklisting OO guys would be good for him. Then he’ll sell you out and give UAL whatever they want.
I’d also like to remind everyone the last SAPA rep to not have a medical M.E. Sold out OO pilots and R.J. May not have one, I’m not positive he can get another job paying what he gets at OO. That’s bad juju.
I would also not trust anything the “pilots pilot” VP says about backing up SAPA reps and line pilots in this fight. Without making a statement on the merits of this argument, I could see TT changing the FOM without SAPA concurance. Because he can. And he doesn’t give a sh!t about any SkyWest pilot except himself.
Best wishes to everyone. I’m sure this will get ironed out. But if push comes to shove, I would be careful. TT wants lower attrition and UAL blacklisting OO guys would be good for him. Then he’ll sell you out and give UAL whatever they want.
It will be ironed out, but that thread is ridiculous. To be honest though if that is what gets your pilot group to a critical mass anger level, that is pretty immature and pathetic. Right now I don’t know one pilot who has even talked about denying the jumpseat or even cares about this thing. Right now this pilot group has a lot more to focus on, voting in ALPA and getting a better contract.
09-20-2018 | 05:21 AM
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So a few of our guys are running their mouth, but there is over 80 pages of UAL pilots chest thumping and putting down all regional pilots. Pretty nauseating to read. It’s definitely made me think about how little y’all think of us.
It will be ironed out, but that thread is ridiculous. To be honest though if that is what gets your pilot group to a critical mass anger level, that is pretty immature and pathetic. Right now I don’t know one pilot who has even talked about denying the jumpseat or even cares about this thing. Right now this pilot group has a lot more to focus on, voting in ALPA and getting a better contract.
It will be ironed out, but that thread is ridiculous. To be honest though if that is what gets your pilot group to a critical mass anger level, that is pretty immature and pathetic. Right now I don’t know one pilot who has even talked about denying the jumpseat or even cares about this thing. Right now this pilot group has a lot more to focus on, voting in ALPA and getting a better contract.
09-20-2018 | 06:19 AM
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Many of us used to be regional pilots. So you can stop with the putting down all regional pilots bit. It is unfortunate that some are incapable of debating without name calling. Do that and then get caught lying about supposedly being hired by Delta. Well, it makes for a rather ugly thread. You are correct, it will be ironed out.
09-20-2018 | 07:27 AM
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Aw geeez. You mean I’m kicked off your board too after just one post? I found your cartoon posts on the other thread so inspiring I was hoping to share some here. Good luck to you.
09-20-2018 | 08:21 AM
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At least us Regional guys have some excuse for reading over the Major boards. Kind of like CFIs reading the Regional boards. You being back down here at the Regional boards to tell all of us minions that "we are correct, this will be ironed out" i.e. the way you guys want it to be, is just plain pathetic. Go wave your imaginary big #@$ somewhere else, nobody is impressed nor intimidated here. This isn't the 1990s anymore, you do not walk on water. We realize you do the exact same job we do, you just fly less United passengers per month then a Skywest pilot at a United base.
09-20-2018 | 09:24 AM
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So a few of our guys are running their mouth, but there is over 80 pages of UAL pilots chest thumping and putting down all regional pilots. Pretty nauseating to read. It’s definitely made me think about how little y’all think of us.
It will be ironed out, but that thread is ridiculous. To be honest though if that is what gets your pilot group to a critical mass anger level, that is pretty immature and pathetic. Right now I don’t know one pilot who has even talked about denying the jumpseat or even cares about this thing. Right now this pilot group has a lot more to focus on, voting in ALPA and getting a better contract.
It will be ironed out, but that thread is ridiculous. To be honest though if that is what gets your pilot group to a critical mass anger level, that is pretty immature and pathetic. Right now I don’t know one pilot who has even talked about denying the jumpseat or even cares about this thing. Right now this pilot group has a lot more to focus on, voting in ALPA and getting a better contract.
09-20-2018 | 09:29 AM
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You’re right. There is a lot of anger. Because of Arics letter that got out. What I am here to do is tell you that the people over on the United forum are screwing evsryone who wants a United job, bigly. There is a lot of tension over this and regardless of who “wins” (it will be UAL 1000%) you guys will be the ones most harmed. I guarantee it. You are being led astray by SAPA and it will harm people’s careers. So maybe do some self policing and tell these guys to cool it. Or don’t, doesn’t affect me.
09-20-2018 | 09:36 AM
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You’re right. There is a lot of anger. Because of Arics letter that got out. What I am here to do is tell you that the people over on the United forum are screwing evsryone who wants a United job, bigly. There is a lot of tension over this and regardless of who “wins” (it will be UAL 1000%) you guys will be the ones most harmed. I guarantee it. You are being led astray by SAPA and it will harm people’s careers. So maybe do some self policing and tell these guys to cool it. Or don’t, doesn’t affect me.
Also this will not blemish those of us in any way in regards to being hired at UAL, that’s an empty threat. I know of numerous people this month who have moved on to UAL from OO.
Each CA will choose to either follow this change or blatantly ignore it.
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09-20-2018 | 09:54 AM
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What you are describing will get you blacklisted from United. That’s why I’m over here. You guys seem to think just because both sides are mad that the results will pan out the same. Denying a pilot because you feel like it will get the jumpseat agreement nullified completely.
What I am here to earn you about is that anyone who wants to come to United should be 100% telling SAPA AND their own pilots to shut up immediately. It doesn’t matter what the United guys on the forum are saying. Ignore it and tell people who are going over there to stop. There is no possible benefit to purposely upset those guys. There is tremendous downside.
What I am here to earn you about is that anyone who wants to come to United should be 100% telling SAPA AND their own pilots to shut up immediately. It doesn’t matter what the United guys on the forum are saying. Ignore it and tell people who are going over there to stop. There is no possible benefit to purposely upset those guys. There is tremendous downside.
09-20-2018 | 10:09 AM
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They are upset because it favors them greatly but no one is bowing down and giving it to them on a silver platter when this is a change to the agreement that favors only one side.
We already are in the process of getting rid of SAPA, so give us some time.
Thanks for the warning though about us possibly losing our opportunity to be at UAL one day. That would be a terrible outcome over something so petty; however I’ll have to give the UAL hiring team the benefit of the doubt and hope they know what good people they have working at express jet, TSA, republic, gojet, Mesa, and OO who have made it their goal to get on there.
We already are in the process of getting rid of SAPA, so give us some time.
Thanks for the warning though about us possibly losing our opportunity to be at UAL one day. That would be a terrible outcome over something so petty; however I’ll have to give the UAL hiring team the benefit of the doubt and hope they know what good people they have working at express jet, TSA, republic, gojet, Mesa, and OO who have made it their goal to get on there.
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