SkyWest to sell ExpressJet to United Airlines
 

Re think the threat title perhaps

Interesting. Anyone know how many of the 175s United owns? I know they own the entire Mesa fleet and some if not all of the 175s at RAH. Im not sure if they own any of the SkyWest 175s.

I ask because I can see all the United assets being transferred to ExpressJet now. We can start controlling our 70 seat regionals a little better and maybe get a better product.

I hope the end game is to absorb this LLC and bring the 70 seat flying in house. I can see United ordering another 20 of the 175s configured to 70 seats (SC) and give them to Xjet. This would park all CRJ 700s at Mesa and Go jet. The only ones left would be with SkyWest to fly to ASE.

Anyways I think this is a positive for United and we will see if it is a positive or a negative for United pilots......can't wait to see the New contract.

United a minority partner in ManaAir LLC. I believe UAL is in the end pulling all the strings.

They don’t own any of the SkyWest 175s

48 at Mesa and 20 at Republic I think.
All back as leases coming to end and watch for the bigger Ejets order coming .
Lufthansa style all one seniority when the TA comes

76 seaters to 364 seaters all flown by United seniority pilots
There you have your 15000 pilot seniority list

Good for everyone I would say

Lots of bold assumptions with this one ☝️

So if you're at XJT, do you still do the United interview when they call?

I would say yes. Get out of the regionals as fast as you can. Why wouldn’t you interview?

Absolutely. If we absorb the pilots at Xjet it will be a full blown staple and no one could argue otherwise. So if you get hired by UA now you will be senior to all the current Xjet pilots.

Have no fear, the shell corporation will keep the pilots separate, no claim to one list that way (Comair). This will be home to the zero-hero build your hours with a United owned airline. The whipsaw will live on.

How would any of this change how United hires? XJT is getting some 175’s, but why would that change the current CPP? I can see where this is good for the near term future of XJT, but it in no way means that it will lead to a flow agreement or any other increased chance of XJT pilots gaining employment with United Airlines. United wants to pick and choose who they hire. If anyone can actually figure out exactly what they are looking for, they could get rich selling interview preparation classes. The jury is out on that one.

Nope, it just means you'll get sent the HPI.

Pass that, THEN you'll get a F2F.

I’m pretty sure it’s only 12 hulls at YX.


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I saw a quote somewhere that it won’t affect flow / cpp , source wasn’t specified so it’s as legit as anything on the internet ha

I'd say the #1 argument for Mgmt not to absorb any pilots, staple or not, is that they lose the benefit of restarting their longevity. Even with a "flow" UAL gets to restart the longevity and all that entails when they join the mainline list. Same as everywhere else.

DOH is the gold standard! :D

Actually... you can't do a staple anymore, especially with ALPA/ALPA. There would have to be a fair and equitable integration.

You can sort of make the case that a staple is sort of fair but the more senior XJT people (the majority of them) will insist on something for their longevity. Established precedent will give them something.

Only way around that would be do like SWA did with tranny... make them an offer they can't refuse, but the company would have to be integral to that (UA-ALPA can't unilaterally shut down the XJT certificate).

Absolutely. If we absorb the pilots at Xjet it will be a full blown staple and no one could argue otherwise. So if you get hired by UA now you will be senior to all the current Xjet pilots.

Only way around that would be do like SWA did with tranny... make them an offer they can't refuse, but the company would have to be integral to that (UA-ALPA can't unilaterally shut down the XJT certificate).


There is no need for the United to absorb anyone. They can simply hire the pilots that they like in the interview process and move on. I don’t see 70 seat jets at mainline any time soon, but if we did the pilots who currently fly those planes don’t have to come with them. United already owns the metal. It isn’t an airline acquisition that would trigger some sort of pilots come too deal. All they have to do is bring the planes to mainline when the leases to the regionals expire and hire from all available sources accordingly. Not wishing a sharp stick in anyone’s eye, just looking at this from a company or legal point of view.

ALPA merger policy wouldn’t apply with a regional takeover

Why not? Both pilot groups are ALPA. It’s been a while but I don’t remember reading anything in the ALPA merger policy saying it wouldn’t apply in this type of situation. The career expectations part of the policy would apply overwhelmingly favorably to mainline pilots. So much so that a straight staple may be seen as fair and equitably by a panel of arbitrators.

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I bet a B scale is coming

I love how XJT thinks UA bought them...... UA will pull the strings.( I.e want there E145’s as cheap as there other joint ventures”) but good bet is the Commute Air CEO is going to be there yes man..

They own more of XJT than SkyWest.

Yes they do.. (or will) but not a Majority. But its cute to play like you are UA pilots. They will love that..

Meen while, OO still gouges you on I.T. Services...

5. Will ExpressJet people become United employees?
No, they will remain employed by ExpressJet and owned by a third party United joint venture.

6. How long will SkyWest, Inc. continue to support certain functions in IT, Accounting and Benefits?
A transition period is customary and may be between 6-18 months.

Oh yes it would. There are no legal provisions (that I've heard of) which apply the traditional major airline pilot cultural superiority and entitlement to an SLI. In both federal law and ALPA policy an airline is an airline is an airline.

Now you could make a case that "fair and equitable" would be something that looks a lot like a staple, since both career expectations and longevity are low on the regional side but some senior RJ guys would get a big windfall and the left seat of at least a NB.

That's why the senior lifers at COMAIR pushed so hard for seniority integration at DAL... it would have tripled their pay overnight.

In other words, what Nevjets just said.

“Some Senior RJ guys would get a big windfall”. There in lies the problem. How do you weigh longevity at a regional? No RJ lifer deserves to be in front of a mainline new hire. Period. An indefinite fence perhaps?

Why are people even talking about a merger? Dream on kids.

Wash, rinse, repeat. Their services suck. I can’t imagine it getting any worse then currently. Only after threatening to get a lawyer did the “awesome” HR dept finally correct my issues

Don’t be ridiculous. Nobody is acting like they’re United pilots at XJT.

That’s just Skywest pilots pouting. Oh no, someone is getting new planes, and it isn’t us.... They’ve been brainwashed into believing that Express Jet has been a financial drain on the Mighty Skywest, and don’t understand that Skywest is responsible for that. Gotta be because Express Jet is union, right?

The regional group would not agree to indefinite fences. The inevitable arbitration would nor grant indefinite fences.

This is why XJT (or any other regional) will probably not be absorbed into UA (or any other major).

The hate and discontent would be epic, would make the Airways/Cactus SLI look like a lovefest.

I said "probably" because if the pilot shortage got bad enough somebody might go there.

Why do you love that? You have some kind of animosity towards them? Technically, United did buy xjt, a minority part. And if United is pulling the strings, I think anyone is better than your CC at this point.

That’s true on the IT gouge, until the transaction is complete. Xjt will be United employees as much as they were Skywest employees. Which is to say, xjt employees are xjt employees while being partly owned by United instead of wholly owned by Skywest. That’s a good thing for xjt employees.

You couldn’t have a fence that lasts any longer than when the next new hire is hired. Otherwise that new hire would be able to progress past the career expectations of the RJ lifer and all pilots behind him.

This is all academic, but just because you have two airlines with disparate career expectations does not mean that ALPA merger policy wouldn’t apply. It just means that arbitrators would have to take all those things into consideration when constructing and SLI. And that could mean a straight staple and done.

Never happen -
Scope clause
Union prohibits majority ownership and most important why would any airline want all of suddenly double their labor cost overnight for 0 benefit in return.

Not to UAL, to MalaAIr

You my friend are a genius