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PhotoFlyer 01-10-2019 09:12 PM

I had a similar experience to the OP on the CRJ. My sim partner didn’t make it through systems and I struggled. Call outs are hard to practice on your own and others were busy practicing with their sim partners. I observed others sim sessions that were much smoother than mine. I had a different instructor every day so poor continuity. Had the late sim session 8pm to 2 am which was tiring since noise in the hotel started at 6 am and sleep was difficult. Not having a sim partner meant not watching someone else go through the maneuvers to learn from their mistakes. Ended up using up my extra sim sessions and made dumb mistakes in the Manevers Validation so was told by the examiner I should be good with a training session then retest. I got a call from the training manager and he said I used up my sessions so it was the end of the line. Was told I should come back in 6 mos because I was really close and was the kind of person they wanted at SW. Most of my instructors were great, one was terrible and I had the examiner that was the gossip at the water cooler as the toughest. I’m not one to make excuses and I studied my butt off but couldn’t pull it off. Undecided if I will return at SW.

Nevjets 01-10-2019 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 2740733)
The quality gate has been moved from recruiting to training a while ago.



And despite some interesting characters like F15 Jimbo, I found the training to be top notch. I would consider it industry leading.



TFAYD


Industry leading? Is the training, train to proficiency? Is there the ability to get a different instructor? Is there the ability for a union rep to observe a training session? Is there a training review board? Those are all things that are standard at most unionized airlines.

TFAYD 01-10-2019 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by Nevjets (Post 2740835)
Industry leading? Is the training, train to proficiency? Is there the ability to get a different instructor? Is there the ability for a union rep to observe a training session? Is there a training review board? Those are all things that are standard at most unionized airlines.

Funny how everything with you ends up a big union endorsement.

I was talking about training quality - not union remedies.

There are plenty of union carriers out there with a sterling program - XJT probably being the leader in that camp. So folks have option.

TFAYD

Hawker445 01-10-2019 11:10 PM

Is there a writeup/gouge of what the maneuvers validation is like?
I.e engine failures and other basic procedures?

zondaracer 01-10-2019 11:57 PM


Originally Posted by Hawker445 (Post 2740847)
Is there a writeup/gouge of what the maneuvers validation is like?
I.e engine failures and other basic procedures?

Yes. You cover every single maneuver in training sessions before taking the maneuvers validation. No surprises.

amcnd 01-11-2019 03:36 AM


Originally Posted by PhotoFlyer (Post 2740816)
I had a similar experience to the OP on the CRJ. My sim partner didn’t make it through systems and I struggled. Call outs are hard to practice on your own and others were busy practicing with their sim partners. I observed others sim sessions that were much smoother than mine. I had a different instructor every day so poor continuity. Had the late sim session 8pm to 2 am which was tiring since noise in the hotel started at 6 am and sleep was difficult. Not having a sim partner meant not watching someone else go through the maneuvers to learn from their mistakes. Ended up using up my extra sim sessions and made dumb mistakes in the Manevers Validation so was told by the examiner I should be good with a training session then retest. I got a call from the training manager and he said I used up my sessions so it was the end of the line. Was told I should come back in 6 mos because I was really close and was the kind of person they wanted at SW. Most of my instructors were great, one was terrible and I had the examiner that was the gossip at the water cooler as the toughest. I’m not one to make excuses and I studied my butt off but couldn’t pull it off. Undecided if I will return at SW.


Sorry to hear.. but you said only 1 extra session? You get 8 hrs extra... not just one session.. i hope you either find a good home elsewhere or you come back. They have hired a whole bunch of new sim instructor and a new training manager. I had a freind in that same boat. He came back and is glad he did..

BrewCity 01-11-2019 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by PapaJaime (Post 2740739)

No, it was not an easy program, Skywest is rumored to have the hardest training program of 121 operators

This made me laugh

PhotoFlyer 01-11-2019 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2740875)
Sorry to hear.. but you said only 1 extra session? You get 8 hrs extra... not just one session.. i hope you either find a good home elsewhere or you come back. They have hired a whole bunch of new sim instructor and a new training manager. I had a freind in that same boat. He came back and is glad he did..

Thanks for the encouragement. I actually used up my extra sessions. I really did enjoy the whole experience even though I wasn’t able to finish. I made some great friends and most of the instructors were fantastic. My flows and callouts were a little behind. Everything “clicked” for me but it happened just a little too late. I put a business and family life on hold to do this and have to evaluate whether I want to do it again. I love to fly and may look for a local gig or something else on the west coast. I have no regrets for the time I spent at SW and would consider giving it another shot. A friend just got through E175 training and is enjoying it and telling me I should come back😁

Squawkbox2012 01-11-2019 09:00 AM

Curious, what was your aviation background?

captive apple 01-11-2019 09:01 AM

This was in part why our pay rose mid agreement while classes were full. We now have people here who should never have made it through training.


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