Originally Posted by jtsastre (Post 2741208)

I went through training at a unionized carrier and at SKW, the training at SKW was considerably better, FWIW.

Originally Posted by Nevjets (Post 2740835)

Industry leading? Is the training, train to proficiency? Is there the ability to get a different instructor? Is there the ability for a union rep to observe a training session? Is there a training review board? Those are all things that are standard at most unionized airlines.

Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2741215)

Same.........

Originally Posted by Nevjets (Post 2740835)

Industry leading? Is the training, train to proficiency? Is there the ability to get a different instructor? Is there the ability for a union rep to observe a training session? Is there a training review board? Those are all things that are standard at most unionized airlines.

Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2741106)

You think sapa and the company are that coordinated to pull that off?? And instructors were not EVER told to let anyone through the cracks... your statement is false.

Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2741229)

My union airline offered none of those things.

Originally Posted by gojo (Post 2741250)

They are offered to those not on probation.

Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2741253)

So not really relevant to the discussion of new hire training.

My airline offers some contractual recourse for people that fail but there’s no training oversight and AFAIK no one sitting in watching sim lessons.

I’d pro-union but you guys are doing it a disservice by making it seem like a union is a panacea for all these problems. At the regional level they seem to have very little real power.

Originally Posted by TheFly (Post 2741213)

What’s your flying background & TT?

Originally Posted by PhotoFlyer (Post 2740816)

I had a similar experience to the OP on the CRJ. My sim partner didn’t make it through systems and I struggled. Call outs are hard to practice on your own and others were busy practicing with their sim partners. I observed others sim sessions that were much smoother than mine. I had a different instructor every day so poor continuity. Had the late sim session 8pm to 2 am which was tiring since noise in the hotel started at 6 am and sleep was difficult. Not having a sim partner meant not watching someone else go through the maneuvers to learn from their mistakes. Ended up using up my extra sim sessions and made dumb mistakes in the Manevers Validation so was told by the examiner I should be good with a training session then retest. I got a call from the training manager and he said I used up my sessions so it was the end of the line. Was told I should come back in 6 mos because I was really close and was the kind of person they wanted at SW. Most of my instructors were great, one was terrible and I had the examiner that was the gossip at the water cooler as the toughest. I’m not one to make excuses and I studied my butt off but couldn’t pull it off. Undecided if I will return at SW.