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TimetoClimb 04-29-2019 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 2810772)
10 upgrade awards under 2.5 years this month and only bid in past 6 months that was over 2 years to hold CA was the first one back in end of DEC for a Feb class, meanwhile ERJ CA has been consistently 3-4 years to get awarded it in same timeframe

& as far as 2.5 yrs on the CRJ goes, I would argue the number is only that high lately becuase of the sheer number of senior FO upgrades that have been waiting for the likes of DEN, COS, IAH have finally been awarded and are taking up class slots. It'll probably drop back down after that cohort is satisfied. MSP went junior this month, ATL last month, DTW in March so it's in major flux.

pangolin 04-29-2019 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by TimetoClimb (Post 2810869)
& as far as 2.5 yrs on the CRJ goes, I would argue the number is only that high lately becuase of the sheer number of senior FO upgrades that have been waiting for the likes of DEN, COS, IAH have finally been awarded and are taking up class slots. It'll probably drop back down after that cohort is satisfied. MSP went junior this month, ATL last month, DTW in March so it's in major flux.

Where could a direct entry captain expect to be assigned on the crj?

amcnd 04-29-2019 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 2810903)
Where could a direct entry captain expect to be assigned on the crj?

The last guys to get that got ATL.. That boat has sailed for now. But i think Sub 2 year Upgrades this summer..

word302 04-29-2019 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 2810903)
Where could a direct entry captain expect to be assigned on the crj?

There have never been DECs here. There have been some FOs awarded CA positions while still in new hire training. That hasn't happened for well over a year. Don't come here expecting to upgrade in less than 2 years.

Gone Flying 04-29-2019 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by TimetoClimb (Post 2810869)
& as far as 2.5 yrs on the CRJ goes, I would argue the number is only that high lately becuase of the sheer number of senior FO upgrades that have been waiting for the likes of DEN, COS, IAH have finally been awarded and are taking up class slots. It'll probably drop back down after that cohort is satisfied. MSP went junior this month, ATL last month, DTW in March so it's in major flux.

I agree, my point was upgrade was not 2.5 years and trending up like the person i quoted said. I think the jr CA was under 2 years

Gone Flying 04-29-2019 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 2810903)
Where could a direct entry captain expect to be assigned on the crj?

skywest does not have DECs and with the ammount of hiring we have done in the past 6 months i would say a 1.5-2 year upgrade is optimistic for someone who is not on property yet

TimetoClimb 04-29-2019 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by GiggidyGone (Post 2810779)
I spent 2 years in the 175 as a FO before making the upgrade on the CRJ. Honestly there was no issues. It was all str8 forward. Training department on the CRJ seems like an iPhone factory. They are trying to produce as many line pilots as quickly as possible. Training seemed dumbed down. I felt prepared hitting the line but as mentioned earlier I learned several things from my FO’s the first few months on line.

As for the 8 other ERJ FO’s that upgrades on the CRJ in my class... 4 of them were previous CRJ drivers. Of the remaining 4 of us 3 got through with ease. One failed out and returned as ERJ FO.


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Out of curiosity in what phase of training did that individual washout ?

amcnd 04-29-2019 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by TimetoClimb (Post 2811217)
Out of curiosity in what phase of training did that individual washout ?

Training failures are down over last year... extra training is slightly up.. i would guess Maneuvers training. Lets be honest... Study, come prepared and you won’t have a problem. Sit in the right seat staring out the window not paying attention to anything, and you will have a problem..

GiggidyGone 04-29-2019 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by TimetoClimb (Post 2811217)
Out of curiosity in what phase of training did that individual washout ?



Sims. They made it past FTD’s then washed out.


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TenaciousB 04-30-2019 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by GiggidyGone (Post 2810779)
I spent 2 years in the 175 as a FO before making the upgrade on the CRJ. Honestly there was no issues. It was all str8 forward. Training department on the CRJ seems like an iPhone factory. They are trying to produce as many line pilots as quickly as possible. Training seemed dumbed down. I felt prepared hitting the line but as mentioned earlier I learned several things from my FO’s the first few months on line.

As for the 8 other ERJ FO’s that upgrades on the CRJ in my class... 4 of them were previous CRJ drivers. Of the remaining 4 of us 3 got through with ease. One failed out and returned as ERJ FO.

My 2 cents if you wanna move on... take the CRJ when you feel comfortable. The ERJ seems like about a 4 year upgrade.... and that’s in LGA and reserve. The PIC time will come fast if you feel comfortable making the transition. It’s not hard. Just a more involved airplane.


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So out of 5 upgrades from ERJ to CRJ without previous CRJ experience, 4 passed- a 20% failure rate.

These are pilots that have been flying the line for at least a couple years in the 121 environment. I hope that person was an outlier. I wonder what the overall rate is for this sub-group.


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