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ICUROOK 10-12-2019 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2903100)
1. “Union and pilot group”. Funny, I don’t remember the SkyWest or Republic pilots voting on this. So what “pilot group”?
2. Your “union” put out an opinion, that this was a violation of the FARs. Did they actually ask their lawyer or is this their opinion? My guess, since they didn’t say, it’s the latter. They put out an opinion.
3. The right answer for a hiring board is really based upon how you handle yourself in this situation. Hiding in the cockpit and making a gate agent do your dirty work is the wrong answer. Politely going to the pilot involved, looking him/her in the eyes and explaining that you feel you have to follow your union’s guidance for now would be the more appropriate solution and would probably make for a good TMAAT answer to a question. Passengers may not like the news you deliver, but how you deliver it has a huge impact.

Let me help you out. The answer is no, most mainline carriers would not hire somebody who went against their Union and FOM. Is United different?

450knotOffice 10-12-2019 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by sMFer (Post 2903145)
Wow, you're a tool. A mighty XJT Captain!!!

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He said that in direct response to a poster who said he was probably a new hire FO and not in a position to make that decision. He simply stated that in fact he IS a captain and therefore can make that decision.

Let me see if I’m hearing this right - Skywest pilots will deny Expressjet pilots their jumpseat, but he’s a tool for responding in kind?

Ok then.

Bravix 10-12-2019 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by CPPfacts (Post 2903191)
Your student council cancelled our reciprocating agreement. Take it up with them if you have an issue.

I didn't see the whole comment thread, but as a SkyWest guy, deny away. I think that's only right if we're actually denying you guys the jumpseat. Honestly I wish that if the groups can't agree they'd all just agree to disagree and cancel their agreements with one another and stop jumpseating on each other. It'd be way simpler and not put crews in this grey area of guessing what they should do. Yeah, it'd suck for those who rely on the jumpseat, but most airlines have commuter policies to protect them.

I'm sure eventually everyone would get back together and sign kumbaya together over a new jumpseat agreement.

dera 10-12-2019 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by Bravix (Post 2903284)
I didn't see the whole comment thread, but as a SkyWest guy, deny away. I think that's only right if we're actually denying you guys the jumpseat. Honestly I wish that if the groups can't agree they'd all just agree to disagree and cancel their agreements with one another and stop jumpseating on each other. It'd be way simpler and not put crews in this grey area of guessing what they should do. Yeah, it'd suck for those who rely on the jumpseat, but most airlines have commuter policies to protect them.

I'm sure eventually everyone would get back together and sign kumbaya together over a new jumpseat agreement.

Skywest has a commuter policy?

HumpSeat 10-12-2019 06:16 PM

Grown men and women having a fit over a seat. Cannot believe this is actually happening.

Bravix 10-12-2019 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2903297)
Skywest has a commuter policy?

No, it doesn't. You'll note I said "most". ;)

That said, management has (aside from maybe one or two examples I can think of) been pretty understanding when it comes to commuting issues.

Supposedly, they've also given word that they understand that this is may cause some disruptions are willing to look the other way, within reason. Now, is that as good as a commuter policy? Guess it depends on the flight schedule of the outstation you fly out of :)

Turbosina 10-12-2019 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by Bravix (Post 2903336)
No, it doesn't. You'll note I said "most". ;)

That said, management has (aside from maybe one or two examples I can think of) been pretty understanding when it comes to commuting issues.

Supposedly, they've also given word that they understand that this is may cause some disruptions are willing to look the other way, within reason. Now, is that as good as a commuter policy? Guess it depends on the flight schedule of the outstation you fly out of :)

I'm just trying to imagine the first pilot who calls CS because he just got denied a UA jumpseat and can't get to work. I wonder how willing CS will be to 'look the other way'.

Bravix 10-12-2019 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2903374)
I'm just trying to imagine the first pilot who calls CS because he just got denied a UA jumpseat and can't get to work. I wonder how willing CS will be to 'look the other way'.

Huh? You just call emergency, it isn't a big deal. You can send your chief a brief SWOL message to explain if you want.

Kent 10-12-2019 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2903374)
I'm just trying to imagine the first pilot who calls CS because he just got denied a UA jumpseat and can't get to work. I wonder how willing CS will be to 'look the other way'.

Perhaps the real issue. We don’t own our routes, we provide an amazing service but I worry about how much leverage we have. How much power do we have?

UALinIAH 10-12-2019 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by Kent (Post 2903380)
Perhaps the real issue. We don’t own our routes, we provide an amazing service but I worry about how much leverage we have. How much power do we have?

This I agree. As far as regional lift goes, you guys have been as reliable as they come and I’ve had nothing but professionalism on my JS and been treated the same (still wish you guys would join ALPA but that’s another story for another thread) But at the end of the day, on United routes and flying planes with United Express trying to demand who gets gets on in what order (after your own people, nobody is even dreaming of changing that) who do you think controls the seats?

Yes the captain will always get final say. If he wants to go rouge that’s fine, we’ll pass his name on to ALPA and let UAL buy us a ticket and bump someone or just catch the next flight. UAL owns every seat already. Our commuter clause is pretty nice. It won’t interrupt UAL mainline operations. Will Skywest pay UAL to get you to work?


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