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-   -   UAL and Jumpseats (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/skywest/124634-ual-jumpseats.html)

watcher444 10-18-2019 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by shrsailplanes (Post 2908225)
The agreement came just as we had to decline a UAL pilot the jumpseat. Probably made the list. That’s just flippin’ great.
You didn’t HAVE to. You CHOSE to. If you find yourself on a list, it is entirely on you.

Shrek 10-18-2019 02:01 PM
Originally Posted by Hawker445 (Post 2908017)
................(eyeroll)
This was taken above SAPA and UALPAs head to higher ups. Doubt original terms were agreed to.

The clause, "United authorized personel" above all others thats originally for Company execs, DOJ, FAA, has been removed. I'm pleased with that.
It was a red herring I am thinking......UAL were never going to put MGT or PS on the JS

Shrek 10-18-2019 02:04 PM
Originally Posted by shrsailplanes (Post 2908225)
The agreement came just as we had to decline a UAL pilot the jumpseat. Probably made the list. That’s just flippin’ great.
It is YOUR JS and it was your choice.......you chose wrong

Shrek 10-18-2019 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 2908248)
Not my idea but something to think about. At United we've been trying to educate gate agents that it's the Captain who determines the recipient of the jumpseat. Gate agents are to send all potential jumpseat pilots down to the airplane.

The gate agents were unfortunately brought into this as the arbiter of who rides the jumpseat. We may have taken a couple steps backwards.
Very true and sad that we have to unscrew the pooch again because of a few cPT who shirked their responsibility to control their JS.

Inkoreausa 10-18-2019 02:32 PM
Damn...SkyWest sure showed United! Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Turbosina 10-18-2019 02:45 PM
Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 2908242)
Thanks for your level headed posts. Best of luck going forward.
I'm just glad I was off this entire week and did not have to argue with one of our CAs if he/she tried to deny the jump. Going back to work tonight and now my biggest concern is finding my gate with the new numbering system @ SFO, which is only slightly less confusing than the new JS priority. :confused:

Floyd 10-18-2019 02:56 PM
Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2908301)
I'm just glad I was off this entire week and did not have to argue with one of our CAs if he/she tried to deny the jump. Going back to work tonight and now my biggest concern is finding my gate with the new numbering system @ SFO, which is only slightly less confusing than the new JS priority. :confused:
Good luck. Told my FO he's buying the beer if I turn into the wrong gate at SFO.

sl0wr0ll3r 10-18-2019 03:08 PM
Originally Posted by shrsailplanes (Post 2908225)
The agreement came just as we had to decline a UAL pilot the jumpseat. Probably made the list. That’s just flippin’ great.
We had to? GMAB. If there’s a “spineless” list I hope you made it.

sailingfun 10-18-2019 03:11 PM
Originally Posted by shrsailplanes (Post 2908225)
The agreement came just as we had to decline a UAL pilot the jumpseat. Probably made the list. That’s just flippin’ great.
Just to be clear you chose to deny the jumpseat. When ALPA first established the concept of the jumpseat the first tenants were that it never be withheld or politicized regardless of differences between pilot groups.
One of the key reasons for that is regardless of what we think about Captains authority management in the end owns the jumpseat. When pilot groups make decisions like the SkyWest pilots just did the repercussions can be huge and cost everyone a valuable tool.

O2pilot 10-18-2019 03:13 PM
Originally Posted by shrsailplanes (Post 2908225)
The agreement came just as we had to decline a UAL pilot the jumpseat. Probably made the list. That’s just flippin’ great.
Lots of scabs crossed the picket line and flew one leg the day before the strike ended. They are still scabs for life.


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