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A.FLOOR 10-18-2019 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by Inkoreausa (Post 2907733)
A more reasoned response would have been to not act like a bunch of punks. Weaponizing the JS is wrong on so many levels. Too late to put the genie back in that bottle. Really stupid decision making. Negotiations are always a better alternative.

That's the part UAL keeps missing... at least art YX, and I'm sure with OO, we wanted to/tried to negotiate... Your circus union told us to pound sand. That's why they told us to just deny then.

BusBoy88 10-18-2019 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by pilotnicco (Post 2907872)
That's the part UAL keeps missing... at least art YX, and I'm sure with OO, we wanted to/tried to negotiate... Your circus union told us to pound sand. That's why they told us to just deny then.

Let us know how that works out for you Nicco. And nice to know you think so highly of Republic, you will have a nice lonnnnnnng career there.

watcher444 10-18-2019 07:28 AM

UALALPA has asked us not to deny jumpseats, even to SWest. I will do as they ask but I will be sending JS info to UALALPA and Flight Ops as requested. My guess is they are cross referencing names to see if cAPTAINS that deny jseats are using them on U.

Way above my paygrade. I will not weaponize the jumpseat (unless you are a SCAB).

My observation over 25 years is pilots may be fractured a lot of the time but the wagons tend to circle when the attack comes from within on closely guarded privileges like the JS.

My personal opinion is it’s very short-sighted to think there won’t be consequences of some sort for the participants. It also seems short sighted to jump on a wagon apparently driven by pilots who have no aspirations to leave SWest.

Maybe I’m missing something. In any case, weaponizing the JS was a huge tactical failure IMHO.

A.FLOOR 10-18-2019 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by BusBoy88 (Post 2907877)
Let us know how that works out for you Nicco. And nice to know you think so highly of Republic, you will have a nice lonnnnnnng career there.

I can tell you I think FAR less of United LOL.

Itsajob 10-18-2019 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 2907870)
Putting your former line pilots in a tough spot by listing for a jumpseat with seats in the back.
Do you really think the captain told the gate no APLA or do you think that’s all they could regurgitate?
Thanks Rick

Kinda giving the hot heads ammunition. You had the ca there apparently did you ask if he said that?

He’s not UA. Listing for the jumpseat is one’s only option outside of buying a ticket if you don’t have pass privileges on that airline. You guys can keep playing this game though. We’ll end up positive space to work, possibly on one of your flights. Also, pi$$ing off a bunch of ALPA pilots kind of limits your odds of gaining employment elsewhere. United and Delta make up a big chunk of the available jobs out there since AA hires mostly through their flow program.

RequiredField 10-18-2019 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat (Post 2907766)
The ZW guy in question wasn’t able to see his kids thanks to the petty crap this OO CA pulled. He was in fact listed as a non-rev, because he had gotten denied for the j/s. Real classy.

Please encourage them to pursue this through their J/S committee as well as whatever channels are available to ZW concerning pass travel. They might even consider, after speaking with their reps, bringing UALALPA into the loop in an FYI sort of way. If this is true at face value, this “c”aptain went way the **** out of his lane (as some eventually do when reacting emotionally to something). This guy may have put all SKW pass privileges on UAL in jeopardy, if not his own employment.
It’s been suggested that perhaps a misunderstanding occurred in the comm between the gate and jet bridge. Whether it did or not, this highlights an important point of leaving the gate agents out of this. There’s been several reports of captains too chicken**** to deny the j/s face to face, and instead, briefing agents to not send down or even list UAL/UAX-E jumpseaters. Their JOB is to do exactly that! I don’t know, perhaps these pilots think they’ll remain nameless if the jumpseaters never make it to the plane?? That would be a bad assumption.
Whichever the case, the tantrum will eventually either be abandoned or it will be taken too far and Mom will lose her patience and **** gets real..

Melit 10-18-2019 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat (Post 2907864)
Well, considering he’s my classmate and have spoken to him directly, all true. What else you got?

Post up the date and flight number?

BusBoy88 10-18-2019 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by pilotnicco (Post 2907882)
I can tell you I think FAR less of United LOL.

Good for you. I don't work for United. But I'll go out on a limb and say everybody in the industry besides you would choose to work at United over Republic.

Itsajob 10-18-2019 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by RequiredField (Post 2907887)
Whichever the case, the tantrum will eventually either be abandoned or it will be taken too far and Mom will lose her patience and **** gets real..

Now that’s funny right there. Momma just lets you act a fool for so long, then out of nowhere....WHACK. At least that’s how those of us who were kids before time out became a thing were raised.

rickair7777 10-18-2019 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 2907870)
Putting your former line pilots in a tough spot by listing for a jumpseat with seats in the back.
Do you really think the captain told the gate no APLA or do you think that’s all they could regurgitate?
Thanks Rick

Kinda giving the hot heads ammunition. You had the ca there apparently did you ask if he said that?

No, I think all of the confusion I experienced occurred at the gate. My point being OO CA's apparently need to take charge of this and ensure that the gate is representing what they really want represented. RJ's often get remote parking, so the CA and the gate are not co-located.

I'm assuming that hassling non-UA OAL JSers is not what you all actually intend.


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