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-   -   UAL and Jumpseats (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/skywest/124634-ual-jumpseats.html)

Burt123 10-11-2019 07:04 AM
Originally Posted by McNugent (Post 2901939)
Changes are coming. LoL all you want. At the end of the day, a jumpseat war is just dumb. I wouldn’t want to be an express crew denying UAL guys rides to work. The repercussions will go beyond an emotional response from your fake union.
I’m not affiliated with a OO, so not sure what you mean by ‘fake union.’ I’m also really curious what kind of repercussions you are referring to? UA’s operation will be directly affected, forcing management to step in in UALPA’s ridiculous decisions.

Lebron 10-11-2019 07:05 AM
Originally Posted by Mofongo (Post 2901944)
From my understanding, UAL just changed the priority that they assign the JS to. The new order puts UAL pilots first, UAL exclusive regionals second, and all others last (this includes Mesa, Republic, and Skywest).

The official stance from the Skywest pilot group is to deny the JS to UAL and UAL exclusive pilots.

At least that's what I got from it. It is my day off, so my English might not be up to ICAO standards atm.
Why UAL exclusive pilots too?

Groundhog 10-11-2019 07:08 AM
Originally Posted by ORD170 (Post 2901946)
Why deny them the JS? You guys should have just done the same thing you did with AA. This seems like the nuclear option to me, but I’m sure your JS Committe has more info then this site.
What did they do with AA? How is that agreement structured?

Hog

ORD170 10-11-2019 07:13 AM
Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 2901950)
What did they do with AA? How is that agreement structured?

Hog
It’s on the Republic forum. They made it time of check-in.

HuskerAv8tor 10-11-2019 07:14 AM
Originally Posted by Burt123 (Post 2901929)
...On a side not UA could never get rid of YX and OO, who is gonna full the flying void? These two regionals make up the majority of the UAX operation.
Said the Comair pilot to Delta!

TenaciousB 10-11-2019 07:15 AM
Originally Posted by Lebron (Post 2901949)
Why UAL exclusive pilots too?
Inability to ensure we are following the FOM priority for flight deck access because the gate agent software will now violate it for those particular two groups. Violating the FOM is technically an FAA enforceable violation.

*Just explaining the reasoning given by SAPA and the official letter so don’t shoot the messenger.

20sx 10-11-2019 07:16 AM
Mesa guy here....nobody is getting denied the Jumpseat. It’s just the priority has been redone. United pilots are the same as Delta to us now. And when we Jumpseat on them, we’re also at the bottom of their list. Certainly no Out and out denials though.

A.FLOOR 10-11-2019 07:19 AM
Originally Posted by 20sx (Post 2901959)
Mesa guy here....nobody is getting denied the Jumpseat. It’s just the priority has been redone. United pilots are the same as Delta to us now. And when we Jumpseat on them, we’re also at the bottom of their list. Certainly no Out and out denials though.
Why tho... If you think these mainline gods give a rats ass about our priority, you're grossly mistaken... If the shoe was on the other foot they'd leave us behind and not bat an eye. Frankly, they were already doing it.

Vernon Demerest 10-11-2019 07:22 AM
Originally Posted by Burt123 (Post 2901929)
LOL management and a pilot union are two totally separate entities. Management couldn’t care less about their pilot groups until this starts affecting UA’s operation negatively, then I guarantee something will change. On a side not UA could never get rid of YX and OO, who is gonna full the flying void? These two regionals make up the majority of the UAX operation.
Scott Kirby spoke in very general terms this week (at the United FTC) and stated he would like more control over the the regional product and while it will take time, consolidation into a handful of carriers might be the answer. What that means is anyone’s guess but most of the people in the room heard it as him wanting to grow the exclusive carriers and trim the others. Doesn’t mean it will happen and if MESA, SkyWest or Republic are the best performers it will be hard to justify in my opinion. Jumpseat wars are not productive. We need to support and work well with our regional carriers that support the United operation (in my opinion). It does get fuzzy when some of our regional partners get to declare jumpseat priority on multiple major airlines and their feeders but get upset when United gives exclusive UAX carriers priority on UAL (and the exclusive UAX Airlines). I got a bit of a laugh at the student council’s wording of “violation of FOM” etc and that justifying denial of jumpseats. So, it is a safety issue that you go behind exclusive UAX carriers on United Mainline jumpseats? You guys will always (obviously) have priority on your own jumpseat, not to mention you have priority over all of us on Delta and Alaska so you can use them (2 leg) to commute into your UAL hub to work with “priority “. Not a bad deal!

Hawker445 10-11-2019 07:23 AM
Just for clarification, does this decision by SAPA apply to ALL of our flights or just United side?


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