All of which can be voided, disregarded or otherwise violated and excused during national emergencies and from forces beyond the code share partner’s control. Everyone will be in for some short term hurt at least.

not really - not without a legacy going bankrupt

No, and he doesn't care. 50% are going to get sick? I'd love to see the statistics backing that up. Wait... it doesn't exist.

Preach. We could be like the TSH holdings carriers. Thankful to be in the position I am right now given the current situation.

We are very lucky. I’ve been paying close attention to the wisdom of those that have been through times like this before. If you have a job then you have it made.

Out of curiosity do the scope clauses mandate regional fleet reductions concomitant with mainline reductions and in some specified ratio?

depends. Some regionals have minimum block hour guarantee.. And EAS routes are subsidized and must be flown.. We have seen this before. Some regionals thrived. Some really hurt. Look back at history and you can figure out who has good contracts with there partner that keeps them flying..

Every regional will feel the effects the next 2-6 months. Its after that that you will want to watch what ones bounce back and what ones are hanging on by a thread..

agreed, but I would be surprised if there wasn’t a clause for events such as this?

Every contract has a clause for events beyond the control of the partner.

It’s a clause I’m certain. I’m sure all your contracts have a “Force Majeure” clause. I wouldn’t worry, unless this continues through the summer.

Exactly.
Force majeure

I don’t think this is going away by summer. I’m by no means a pessimist, but the virus already spread from Wuhan and is uncontained. As long as it’s still spreading, there’s lingering fear and no vaccine, not many are traveling for nonessential trips. Look at any toilet paper hoarding American and you’ll see that fear drives every decision they make.

The quickest (and deadliest) way to deal with this is through herd immunity. The UK might be planning this as we speak. The rest of the world is trying to slow it down to fight it in pieces. The problem with that, while less may die from it, the resolution gets pushed out farther.

There is. I don't know about other Legacies, but I know American has a 1 year clause on "unforeseen circumstances" throughout the economy. American is actually running up against this right about now because of the MAX groundings. They will have to reduce capacity (I don't know the specific date when they will, but it is within the next few months).

Wow. 10 lines for FO’s in LAX this month when there used to be close to 60. Many bases have 0. I can’t even imagine how long it will take to get that flying back. I will be on reserve until I get furloughed. Flying my last trip starting today. Bummed out in a big way. This was a career change for me and it will be really hard if not impossible to get back to my old career. It’s gonna be minimum wage jobs with an ATP and a degree in engineering. Reality stinks.

The reason there are bases with only reserve is because AA and Delta haven’t sent over the schedule package yet, not that there isn’t any flying. In order to comply with posting the bid by today, that had to make bases with only AA or Delta flying all reserve because they don’t have the pairing to build lines. Once they get the schedules from AA and Delta, I assume they will start assigning the trips to everyone. In looking at DEN and COS, it’s not as bad as I thought it would be, but I guess they could still cancel a lot of those flight who knows.

I think SAPA and the company did a great job with the VTO and CPTO leave options. I'm interested in the paid 50 hrs off option.

And the 30% min. Long Call Reserve

I’m hearing from OO pilots that the April bid (delta side) includes voluntary one month paid leave at 50 hours credit or sit reserve for 67.5 hours credit. No furloughs. Given delta makes it sound like they’re on their final straw, the OO side sounds like they’re in good shape?

Doesn't have to do with Delta. They are offering 50hr paid month off keep all benefits ect...


(Delta hasn't provided flying data to build pairings yet.)

withought knowing how much flying there is for April, that sounds like a pretty generous deal to OO pilots.

Really? Everyone congratulating SAPA for a job well done? What a blatant disregard for seniority and 'policy'. People make decisions to stay or go based off of what is written in the PPM. Then when a situation occurs that would actually require the application of it, it gets pencil whipped to whatever the company desires. This should have been voluntary leave (including 50hr zero block months) followed by furloughs if necessary.

yes not sure how this is going to help OO save any money.

They are going reverse seniority and forced 50hrs paid month off... (if not enough takers)

Isn't that what it is?
Are you saying a senior PDX 175 guy flying AK only (who’s not drawing down) should get a CPTO line vs a more junior MSP captain flying only DL (who’s making massive reductions)? That would require several seat a and base swaps.
I think you need to see the complexities of the SKYW operation and realize this is a good compromise and attempt to avoid furloughs.

who gets these trips as they trickle in? Will it be open time that gets assigned to reserve pilots? Those would have been my trips when I was a line holder. Should I have call me first turned on to maybe get some of those trips?

Trips will in restricted open time. Reserves proffer in seniority order for the trips...

I'm saying labor shouldn't be giving up anything in order to 'mitigate furloughs'. Instead entire domiciles are going on reserve. Reduction in line holder guarantee to 72. Reduction in reserve guarantee to 67. The 50 hour zero block offer can be reduced to 36 if ATC shuts down.

It should simply be monthly guarantee of 75. The company can offer various voluntary leaves. If that is not enough, furlough.

The problem with furloughs is only F/Os get cut, requires equal amount of downgrades and retraining. Training is shut down right now.

As long as you get your 100+ hours a month a **** everyone else right.

You're a ****ing douchebag

Personally, I try to work the minimum days/hours I can. When at work I do my job as asked. But I expect the company to bear the brunt of costs when need be. Not labor. And seniority should never be violated like it has been with this and repeatedly in recent years at Skywest.

Where the hell are you seeing seniority violated. These leave programs are going to be awarded by seniority. Unless they don't have enough takers, then it will be by inverse seniority for a paid 50 hours a month. They'll be plenty that put in for the paid 50 hours a month. You'd be an idiot not to if you are a commuter to a reserve only base next month.

And if you like to work min hours/days this should be great for you.

Seriously though, you are an A S S to advocate furloughs so you can keep a higher monthly credit.

100% A S S

I understand that seniority is everything in the airline industry, and on a normal basis it should be untouchable. But in a situation like this.....if you normally make 10, but now you're gonna make 5 so that someone you fly with can make another 5 instead of 0...where's the problem? Better to keep makingg 10 even if a fellow pilot makes 0? seriously?

Boo overthrust!

I will be taking either 0 or 50 hours of pay for April. I have between 10-20 years at this company (giving a range just like the US senators who dumped their stock holdings). Because of unilateral decisions by the company and SAPA, there are 1-2 year pilots that will have more control over their schedule and more credit hours than me next month. Do you find this ok? I am fine with zero income through this. My problem is that I am being dictated to without any input or vote after being told for 10-20 years that it would work a certain way as defined in the Policy Manual.

I don't even want to be in the same building as you if this is how you think, but I doubt you would share this sentiment face to face with your co-workers. Your lively hood is not the only one that matters. The partners are reducing our schedules, that is how we make money, you know that thing the company uses to pay us with. If we aren't making the same money, how is the company supposed to bare costs at current levels? It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you are putting out more money than you are bringing in, it doesn't take that long to disappear like TSA and Compass. Try being a little compassionate, we all need jobs, those who don't need the money at the moment will probably take voluntary leaves. Furloughing is not a good situation for anyone, management or the pilot group.

Everyone should lighten up. What a guy thinks today might be the opposite of what he thinks tomorrow after a little debating goes on. There are lots of ways to see things here and they are all correct, and they are all wrong. Also, they will all change.

You're a real team player there Overthrust. This is why I like and chose SkyWest in the first place. We come together and tighten our belts to make sure our buddies aren't on the street unable to put food on the table. Fifty hours of pay to sit at home? Not even on reserve? How many other regionals are offering that? But nah...I want my 100 hours credit to buy that boat I've had my eye on! F everyone else! /eyeroll

Don't forget that Trump Check.

TRUMP CHECK!

You mean, the money the US Treasury will have to borrow, and then we repay over time through our taxes?

That's assuming they can find buyers for T-bills if the interest rate goes negative, which it may well do (see: Germany, Japan)...

Seriously? The company you've been at "10-20' years. Can very well go bankrupt if they had the same attitude you do. You obviously don't give a rats ass about your fellow coworkers. Doesn't matter if they're below you.

And we all know you crusty seniors get max days off. You're still making x4 than 80% of those below you. You can stomach VTO for three months.