Beehan

Those of us in training apparently get no pay, no benefits, but also not fired. When hiring resumes we can return in order of seniority, and most likely start ground school again from scratch (indoc) regardless of how far we got in training. Republic gets a $60/day stipend, we got nuthin unless SAPA can work something out on our behalf.

Sure smells like a furlough to me, or are we technically not employees yet?

HighWingingIt

It’s technically a furlough...but they want to advertise to everyone that they’ve never furloughed

FlyAndRide

Not sure where you got that info about training. Idk if we’re getting paid (probably not) but I’m in sims and was told we would start from the beginning of our current stage (Maneuvers for me). Not Indoc. That would be a huge waste of time and money to send everyone back to something they already passed

Otterbox

Unfortunately you’re probably right.

Gone Flying

you are employees day 1 of indoc. if you are sent home with no pay then it is a furlough, if you are in ATP-CTP you are not an employee and not eligible to be furloughed

MrButter

Just hopping in with my 2 cents. I'm obviously one of the poor souls that got sent home from training. Here's how it went down, here's what I know.

The communication was atrocious. We had SIM instructors, ground instructors, everyone involved with training, not know a single thing. We asked every day. We had the director of training and Chiefs stop by to reassure us that training would persist. There were people interviewing yesterday. Everything was moving right along until the moment they pulled the plug. I was among the groups that had the ability to ask questions because we were told in person. The corporate email, however, was 2 paragraphs, with no resources for assistance. As previous people have mentioned, no guarantee, no flight benefits, and presumably no healthcare (makes sense during a pandemic). We were stripped of our company items, said we'd retain seniority and bon voyage. A friend also reached out to the benefits hotline, and they don't even have the information yet to answer our questions. While this was all inevitable, it was done tactlessly; and from a company that boasts about no furloughs. This is a furlough. Moms, dads, people with no residences, uprooted their lives to be a part of this team to just be kicked out into the cold. It's not fair. It's not how you treat people... especially with what's going on in the world. All for a dollar.

Now, on a more pragmatic, less emotional, we get it. The business needs to survive and if it doesn't we're all out the door. The industry will recover, the world will be fine, and we'll proceed with our training. But to anyone wishing to be with the airlines one day: this is the ugly truth.

To all of you still flying, be safe. I hope to join y'all next semester after summer break.

TheOtherGuy25

From the presidents latest update, sounds like the dreaded F word is creeping closer very quickly for many more of us

CRJJ

I have that impression too

TheOtherGuy25

Delta now grounding 600 jets.

Question is now, how far down the list will furloughs go? The way things are looking maybe even grounding of the entire airline now?

Skyhawk121

Not sure if this applies to everyone's question, but I remember hearing something back when I started to the effect of "you don't actually get added to the seniority list until after you complete your check ride".

Seems like health reasons to me. I think the last guidance was that we are supposed to limit gatherings to 10 people or less, having 60 people stuck in a classroom doesn't seem like a great idea for potential health reasons. Especially when people are flying in from other places, all interfacing and spending all day every day together. What happens if one of those people all the sudden starts showing symptoms? At that point you would have no way of knowing how many people has been exposed. Probably has a pretty low chance of happening, but I sure wouldn't want that on my conscience if classes full of people, instructors, etc were all exposed all of the sudden because I made the call to keep training people.