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TheFly 05-05-2020 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Swbackcountry (Post 3049367)
At this point in the industry I don’t see management really respecting any contracts for pilots or partner airlines. These will all be rewritten. SkyWest is more than likely done for. Every partner can easily cover flying with their wholly owned. Contracts with SW will be restructured, if not completely voided. Presently there are no signs whatsoever of passengers returning in the next year to any sort of profitability, this leaves every operator at risk of insolvency. I can guarantee that every airline is working on their plans for bankruptcy. SkyWest should too.

Whew. I agree it will be tough, buts that’s a little over the top.

Swbackcountry 05-05-2020 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFly (Post 3049428)
Whew. I agree it will be tough, buts that’s a little over the top.

It’s not meant to be tough or over dramatic. It’s just the way this is shaping up to be. The logistics of this are just bad from every angle for us, at no fault of our own. From input from friends at wholly owned, they indicate a large increase of flying taken from what we previously did. With expectations for that to continue to increase. SkyWest is a great company and I hope for everyone’s sake it succeeds but this event is seeming to be overwhelming.

shrsailplanes 05-05-2020 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Swbackcountry (Post 3049445)
It’s not meant to be tough or over dramatic. It’s just the way this is shaping up to be. The logistics of this are just bad from every angle for us, at no fault of our own. From input from friends at wholly owned, they indicate a large increase of flying taken from what we previously did. With expectations for that to continue to increase. SkyWest is a great company and I hope for everyone’s sake it succeeds but this event is seeming to be overwhelming.

What do you know about the world economy when stricken by a pandemic? What is your background in airline logistics? What are your friends’ backgrounds in airline logistics and world economies when stricken by a pandemic? Even people whose job it is to know this stuff are scratching their heads because this has never happened before. So, lighten up on your predictions, because, forgive me for assuming, you don’t know at all what’s going to happen. It’s tough enough as it is just sitting and waiting.

flyfast2u 05-05-2020 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Swbackcountry (Post 3049445)
It’s not meant to be tough or over dramatic. It’s just the way this is shaping up to be. The logistics of this are just bad from every angle for us, at no fault of our own. From input from friends at wholly owned, they indicate a large increase of flying taken from what we previously did. With expectations for that to continue to increase. SkyWest is a great company and I hope for everyone’s sake it succeeds but this event is seeming to be overwhelming.


Better get into truck driving school before they fill all up

amcnd 05-05-2020 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Swbackcountry (Post 3049367)
At this point in the industry I don’t see management really respecting any contracts for pilots or partner airlines. These will all be rewritten. SkyWest is more than likely done for. Every partner can easily cover flying with their wholly owned. Contracts with SW will be restructured, if not completely voided. Presently there are no signs whatsoever of passengers returning in the next year to any sort of profitability, this leaves every operator at risk of insolvency. I can guarantee that every airline is working on their plans for bankruptcy. SkyWest should too.


majors don't have the money or credit to buy a crap load of RJ’s to cover what the “no -wholly” owned fly... your prediction is flawed.. but yes every...every airline will be 20-50% smaller after this...OO needs to put that 550 mill they had in the bank prior to this to good use...lets see Thursday during the call how much is left!!....

shrsailplanes 05-05-2020 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 3049479)
majors don't have the money or credit to buy a crap load of RJ’s to cover what the “no -wholly” owned fly... your prediction is flawed.. but yes every...every airline will be 20-50% smaller after this...OO needs to put that 550 mill they had in the bank prior to this to good use...lets see Thursday during the call how much is left!!....

And let’s not overlook that entire law firms devote their existence to contract law. Large companies have lawyers on staff that are buried neck deep in contracts all day. So, an entity as large as an airline would meet some mild resistance if they decided one day to arbitrarily tear up the contracts with pilots and regional partners.

TenaciousB 05-05-2020 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFly (Post 3049428)
Whew. I agree it will be tough, buts that’s a little over the top.

Note that it is a new account. Either a troll or someone who just chose a new user name. Not worth interacting with either way.

Utah 05-05-2020 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Swbackcountry (Post 3049445)
It’s not meant to be tough or over dramatic. It’s just the way this is shaping up to be. The logistics of this are just bad from every angle for us, at no fault of our own. From input from friends at wholly owned, they indicate a large increase of flying taken from what we previously did. With expectations for that to continue to increase. SkyWest is a great company and I hope for everyone’s sake it succeeds but this event is seeming to be overwhelming.

I know you're just a troll, but clearly you weren't in the industry during the last downturn. The wholly owned airlines had it the worse. No contract with the owner meant they could do whatever they wanted with them. Excess capacity is easily shed. Compare that to SkyWest that either grew or at worst stayed the same for a while. Comair is an obvious example, but also look at what American did to Eagle. And ask the ASA guys if being bought by Delta was a good thing.

So when RJs are parked ask yourself where would it be easiest for Delta or American to cut the flying.

trip 05-05-2020 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TenaciousB (Post 3049528)
Note that it is a new account. Either a troll or someone who just chose a new user name. Not worth interacting with either way.

There are so many paid or "professional" trolls on these social media board nowadays, could be management or even foreign players just stirring emotions and creating social unrest. Anyone with single digit posts should be quarantined in a separate forum for 60 days, like probation, how about it Mods?

gojo 05-05-2020 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah (Post 3049560)
I know you're just a troll, but clearly you weren't in the industry during the last downturn. The wholly owned airlines had it the worse. No contract with the owner meant they could do whatever they wanted with them. Excess capacity is easily shed. Compare that to SkyWest that either grew or at worst stayed the same for a while. Comair is an obvious example, but also look at what American did to Eagle. And ask the ASA guys if being bought by Delta was a good thing.

So when RJs are parked ask yourself where would it be easiest for Delta or American to cut the flying.

It would seem to me that you weren’t in the industry during the last downturn either? As there are a couple of things wrong with your post. The Comair shutdown was not due to an economic downturn. And most ASA guys would probably say that Skywest buying ASA was worse for the company than when Delta owned it? And as far as excess capacity... who knows what that is at this point? Just speaking of the Delta side, right now it doesn’t look like they even have enough block hours for any one of their contract carriers. The reduction in passenger travel is much worse than 911 and the previous recession. I think we’re all going to feel this one for quite some time


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