ATP CTP
11-23-2021, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MtnFlying
I just got back from Dallas after completing the ATP/CTP course.
Yes, it is all done in person now - classroom and sims. The entire class was SkyWest CRJ (45 students) and they will roll into their Indoc on Sep 7th. I'm a few months out from indoc still, long story...but it was good to meet a lot of new folks for networking purposes...
The written is included, a voucher number was given to us when we did the written scheduling on the PSI website during day 3. The written is given starting at 0900 on Monday morning and was already covered in the previous post. Most finish the test in about 90 minutes even though you are allotted 4 hours. I showed up early and got in earlier than my 1030 scheduled start time. They roll people in and out as computers become available. I think most were done by 1300, but I was already at DFW by then so can't verify when the last person got done...
Sim sessions were combined into 4 hour blocks plus one additional two hour block. Session 1/2 and 4/5 are combined with a 1 hour briefing before and 30 minute debrief after. Session 3 is a 2 hour block with 60 minute pre brief and 30 minute post brief. My times ended up being 0945-1530 on Friday, 1830-2400 on Saturday, and 1300-1700 on Sunday (had to wait 2 hours between the in brief and my sim session). I was in the A320 for Sims 1,2,4,and 5 and the ERJ-145 for sim 3. Just luck of the draw on what you get assigned to and they don't take requests on specific airframes, just to many folks to get through to make things complicated like that. Sims run 24/7 and ATP Jets is not the only one using them. The A320's are actually run by Avenger Flight Group for Spirit. At least the ones I was in were.
The above worked awesome and was on time! You can still bring your own food if desired as there are multiple refrigerators in the break room, but with a lot of students and instructors, space can be tight. This wasn't explained well on Day 1 and we were scrambling to get registered and orders in while class was going on to make sure we met the deadline for ordering.
Yes, it is all done in person now - classroom and sims. The entire class was SkyWest CRJ (45 students) and they will roll into their Indoc on Sep 7th. I'm a few months out from indoc still, long story...but it was good to meet a lot of new folks for networking purposes...
The written is included, a voucher number was given to us when we did the written scheduling on the PSI website during day 3. The written is given starting at 0900 on Monday morning and was already covered in the previous post. Most finish the test in about 90 minutes even though you are allotted 4 hours. I showed up early and got in earlier than my 1030 scheduled start time. They roll people in and out as computers become available. I think most were done by 1300, but I was already at DFW by then so can't verify when the last person got done...
Sim sessions were combined into 4 hour blocks plus one additional two hour block. Session 1/2 and 4/5 are combined with a 1 hour briefing before and 30 minute debrief after. Session 3 is a 2 hour block with 60 minute pre brief and 30 minute post brief. My times ended up being 0945-1530 on Friday, 1830-2400 on Saturday, and 1300-1700 on Sunday (had to wait 2 hours between the in brief and my sim session). I was in the A320 for Sims 1,2,4,and 5 and the ERJ-145 for sim 3. Just luck of the draw on what you get assigned to and they don't take requests on specific airframes, just to many folks to get through to make things complicated like that. Sims run 24/7 and ATP Jets is not the only one using them. The A320's are actually run by Avenger Flight Group for Spirit. At least the ones I was in were.
The above worked awesome and was on time! You can still bring your own food if desired as there are multiple refrigerators in the break room, but with a lot of students and instructors, space can be tight. This wasn't explained well on Day 1 and we were scrambling to get registered and orders in while class was going on to make sure we met the deadline for ordering.
They had you flying an A320 sim for the CPT course? That seems nuts.......so zero ERJ sim time?
11-23-2021, 02:23 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by 4thLevel
They had you flying an A320 sim for the CPT course? That seems nuts.......so zero ERJ sim time?
It's not that crazy when you think about it. The point of CTP is to introduce you to high altitude aerodynamics, upset recovery at high and low altitudes, wind shear escapes, rejected takeoffs, take off with one engine failed after Vr, basic intro to automation, low vis taxiing, etc. It's not like you have to program a full flight or take the plane from cold and dark to ready to fly. It is the one time you can actually focus on the objectives and have a little fun without the worry of doing something wrong and failing. You still have to "pass" the simulations, but there is little to no pressure.
11-24-2021, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 4thLevel
They had you flying an A320 sim for the CPT course? That seems nuts.......so zero ERJ sim time?
11-24-2021, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by aggieflyboy
The ATP Jets program uses whatever sims are available. The first couple will be CRJ or ERJ non-motion sim and the rest will be in a full motion sim. I did mine in a 737-800
11-25-2021, 10:54 AM
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Thanks for the reply's you guys.
I still think it's counter productive to be doing maneuvers in an aircraft you aren't even trained in, and won't be flying anytime soon.
V1 cuts in an A320 with a sidestick bear little resemblance to one in an ERJ.
But hey, the FAA mandates it, so it must be a good idea.
I still think it's counter productive to be doing maneuvers in an aircraft you aren't even trained in, and won't be flying anytime soon.
V1 cuts in an A320 with a sidestick bear little resemblance to one in an ERJ.
But hey, the FAA mandates it, so it must be a good idea.
11-26-2021, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 4thLevel
Thanks for the reply's you guys.
I still think it's counter productive to be doing maneuvers in an aircraft you aren't even trained in, and won't be flying anytime soon.
V1 cuts in an A320 with a sidestick bear little resemblance to one in an ERJ.
But hey, the FAA mandates it, so it must be a good idea.
I still think it's counter productive to be doing maneuvers in an aircraft you aren't even trained in, and won't be flying anytime soon.
V1 cuts in an A320 with a sidestick bear little resemblance to one in an ERJ.
But hey, the FAA mandates it, so it must be a good idea.
11-26-2021, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
I sat through it in a 737 and 320. It’s really a non-event. It’s not about learning aircraft specific training. It’s about how a jet reacts under those circumstances.
11-27-2021, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 4thLevel
Which is absolutely aircraft specific.
All jets have a speed at which they are not yet stalled at high altitude, but also can't recover to cruise speed from without descending.
All jets take 4-6 thousand feet minimum to recover from a high altitude stall.
All swept wing jets take much more work to recover from a stall than a hershey bar winged cessna or turboprop.
These are the concepts being demonstrated in ATP CTP, and they are similar enough between 737 A320 CRJ ERJ etc that the differences are negligible.
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