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11-28-2021, 07:03 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
eh, not really.
All jets have a speed at which they are not yet stalled at high altitude, but also can't recover to cruise speed from without descending.
All jets take 4-6 thousand feet minimum to recover from a high altitude stall.
All swept wing jets take much more work to recover from a stall than a hershey bar winged cessna or turboprop.
These are the concepts being demonstrated in ATP CTP, and they are similar enough between 737 A320 CRJ ERJ etc that the differences are negligible.
All jets have a speed at which they are not yet stalled at high altitude, but also can't recover to cruise speed from without descending.
All jets take 4-6 thousand feet minimum to recover from a high altitude stall.
All swept wing jets take much more work to recover from a stall than a hershey bar winged cessna or turboprop.
These are the concepts being demonstrated in ATP CTP, and they are similar enough between 737 A320 CRJ ERJ etc that the differences are negligible.
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11-28-2021, 02:19 PM
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When I went through CTP five years ago it was in the CRJ sim. The instructors took the opportunity to introduce some flows because we were “gonna learn it anyways”. I found it to be a great intro to the jet. It’s unfortunate there’s not sim availability to get everyone in what they will be training on
11-29-2021, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hawk21
When I went through CTP five years ago it was in the CRJ sim. The instructors took the opportunity to introduce some flows because we were “gonna learn it anyways”. I found it to be a great intro to the jet. It’s unfortunate there’s not sim availability to get everyone in what they will be training on
I get that there are sim availability issues, but it's still a giant missed learning opportunity to not get acquainted with the type you will be flying. I've been flying 737's for 30 years, and can't imagine getting into an A320 sim and doing stalls.
11-29-2021, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 4thLevel
Exactly.
I get that there are sim availability issues, but it's still a giant missed learning opportunity to not get acquainted with the type you will be flying. I've been flying 737's for 30 years, and can't imagine getting into an A320 sim and doing stalls.
I get that there are sim availability issues, but it's still a giant missed learning opportunity to not get acquainted with the type you will be flying. I've been flying 737's for 30 years, and can't imagine getting into an A320 sim and doing stalls.
11-29-2021, 09:31 PM
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Follow Bob Hoover’s lead. The greatest stick and rudder man there was.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoover
Speed and altitude. They are a trade off. Manage them together.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoover
Speed and altitude. They are a trade off. Manage them together.
12-06-2021, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
eh, not really.
All jets have a speed at which they are not yet stalled at high altitude, but also can't recover to cruise speed from without descending.
All jets have a speed at which they are not yet stalled at high altitude, but also can't recover to cruise speed from without descending.
12-06-2021, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Follow Bob Hoover’s lead. The greatest stick and rudder man there was.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoover
Speed and altitude. They are a trade off. Manage them together.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoover
Speed and altitude. They are a trade off. Manage them together.
2. I still feel it's a giant missed learning opportunity to not practice in the type you will be flying next.
3. Underslung engine designs (737/ERJ) and center line thrust designs (CRJ) are not at all the same animal during stall recovery. Add full power in a 737, and watch the nose pitch for the moon.
12-06-2021, 09:46 PM
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That Areo Commander is a fine airplane, the best multi I have ever flown. I still cry not being able to fly the girl. She just sits on the ramp here now with no engines and a flat gear strut anchored to a fixer upper's dream. Sometimes the when the wind is gusting I can hear her crying out my name as I was the last to fly her 3 years ago. She was the best girlfriend I ever had. Thanks for reminding me ya'll. Hand me over a tissue...
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